Hey, thanks for the advice. I think I needed someone to tell me that. Had a think about it all, and went out with mates last night. Found that if I cool it down a bit and just have a good time, women are more likely to open our group. I think it's because we were showing social proof or something by how much fun we were having. I can see that proving my self isn't cool. And my friends dint care. Thanks for the help