Fair play for addressing the point properly Zone. This is an issue I do wonder about a lot. There was a thread last week where someone was asking - 'where do I start?' I am at a loss in which direction to push someone in this postion at times. I am reluctant to advise MM, purely because it felt wrong for me and got me very few results, but at the same time it took me a lot of experimentation to get the point where it 'clicked' as you say. I feel the sooner a newbie realises it's not what you say that matters, it's how you behave, the better. I do wonder if MM stalls this revelation however.