Cool - cheers K, good to know that someone who knows more about philosophy has ok'd it too.

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Now, do you guys have any updates on going out after listening to this stuff?

Went out on friday in london, first time after hours of Tyler's rantings making my ears near burst.

For me, the major revelation was my frame, my confidence, my state... Keeping it up, even if I don't look too hot, or am not sure what to say. Confident all the time, but flexible. Female attraction is (probably) very thinly related to looks. This is something that clicked with me (I guess it made sense in my reality).

First half of the night - a bit rough, some fun sets and did some cool things (learned a new dance move from some girls), but didn't really feel that any sets ''hooked' properly. Blew out on a number of occasions, even where I felt my state was high. Did meet one very cool girl though (friend material, I would be very happy to keep in touch with her). I got one textbook facebook flake - tell me your name and I'll find you on facebook! yea, right... She was part of a huge birthday girl set - I wanted to spend more time with this girl, but the place was loud, really high energy, and I got a bit of a bad vibe after going for (my first ever) apocalypse on two girls in the group (at the same time !!).

Second half - at a bus stop, waiting to go home - I open situational on a girl at the bus stop, and then kick in with the apocalypse. 'I only just met you of course not' !!! haha, but I think if you pull this off properly, then your frame will be the impressive thing - we got chatting, her friends arrive, and invite me to a club with them. I call my wing (who gets off the bus to re-join me), and we hit the club. Lots and lots of kino and eventually a k and n-close, but logistically a tough set - she is out with her sister, and only in london for a few weeks. She kept saying 'i'm not a slut, I'm not gonna go back with you', but I kept hinting. Eventually she said that 'if my sister wasn't here, we would be fucking right now' (internal thought: not a slut?...)... hmm... how could I have sorted out these logistics?...
In the same club, and roughly the same time (I kept going between the two sets, and I introduced them) I met a russian girl, I opened with nothing - just sat down next to her, and 'hello' - but I felt in state I guess. Anyways, she kept giving me the 'not tonight' line re:sex, - so many times - but eventually we k-closed (in front of the other girl; not the coolest), and eventually did go back to her place.

So my first night after this stuff. Mixed bag. Actually, I'm not ecstatic with a single night lay - that's not exactly what I'm after in this - I want to be good in all situations, and not loose good sets. Consistency killed the cat.

Any thoughts people?

Tyler keeps suggested that your frame is the only key factor, and what you say has less to do with it. Not 100% convinced as yet, interesting and a fun outlook though, I'll peruse it. I can re-post this somewhere else if it's too off-topic, but I think its interesting to see how this stuff works in practice.