I thought I'd make a new thread for eckhart tolle as the long term monogamous relationship material?! post seems to be descending into tolle based discussion and is veering away from the original post.

I like some of the things he says but I think some of the other things is total bollocks. Also I like some picasso paintings but I don't like others are you saying I can't criticise things because you identify with some of it?

I would hate to live in such a totalitarian world (unless it's based on science hey dolphin )

I fucking hate Damien Hurst but if you liked his work i'd still criticise it

What?!! Based on what evidence?

Hopefully this thread is not about whether we like or dislike Tolle. Hopefully it is about which bits of his teachings are true and which bits are false.

I'm currently reading A New Earth and have been making quite a few notes. Mostly where he says something outrageously false and I feel compelled to exorcize my brain of such nonsense. The first chapter was horrendous.

I'll post up more specific details when I'm at home. For now; it's stuff like when in chapter 3 he says most love is want, in Spanish they have 2 ways to say I love you, one also means I want you, whereas the other purely means I love you. He then says 'possibly because that other kind of love is so rare'.

'Possibly' fuck off Tolle, there are an infinity of possibilities. The fact is he expects most readers will not notice his use of possibly and just run through the book accepting such wild speculation as fact. When you are arguing for something you should avoid such speculative discussion if you expect to be taken seriously by anyone intelligent. And, that is just one of literally thousands of examples of Tolle talking shit. I suppose much of what I'm pointing out won't have bothered the Oprah audience that he is clearly writing for.

Still I think I will get a lot out of his text overall because by engaging with the subject matter I'm sorting the good eggs from the bad eggs. And at the end I'll make myself a nice Tolle omelete. Should be plenty to go around if anyone wants some.


Peace,

kowalski

why are you argueing my second point. That is a personal belief. Scientific evidence for a personal belief? You can merely take my opinion on board or not.




Please dont try and rip my post apart. You either realise the meat of tolles teachings or you dont. The later is where i see you are at.


Heres another anology. You bought a big mac but are more eager to address the box it came in than the burger itself.

Trust me on this. Tolles main points are fucking profound.

Yes please

Then enlighten me! I've managed to say what I thought he was on about but you keep telling me it's amazing without telling me what 'it' actually is.

What I got from it was that don't focus on past experiences, live in the now but since I didn't get to the end because of his annoying german voice he might have said something else but no one seems to want to actually tell me what these things are just tell me I should think they are brilliant and he is immune from criticism. Maybe I should give the book a go instead of audio but no one has come up with any reason for me to give it another go.

Enter the finned one..

Hmmm, I've not read any Tolle, but this looks like it could be a good thread if we are discussing love and spirituality.

I'm tempted to stay out of this one though, to discuss these topics you need to have a good level of mutual respect and manners as the topics relate to peoples personal beliefs etc.

For some reason I think we've not been living up to these recently.

Its a shame and I feel disappointed with myself today.

i can just hear tolle's little chuckle as he reads through this thread

the main point is disassociation from your mind and thoughts and emotions. You are none of these. They are merely occurances within awareness

Understand past emotional pain lives on in you as the pain body.

Non resistance to the present moment.

Reside in present moment awareness

there may be a few other points in power of now but those are the main i can remember.

As i said tom, i dont think eckhart is going to be the best spiritual teacher for me. But it started me on my journey. He woke me up as such

I have read power of now. A new earth.
What i am on now is Great Freedom - Short Moments of Awareness, Repeated Many Times

www.beyond-karma.com is also a great website

Oh dear Adam, one Dolphin is enough for this forum.

You made a statement about your opinion on what is true, not on how you feel. Fact is if you are going to make statements like that in a public forum, people are perfectly entitled to challenge them. Tom's challenge is legitimate.

Your statement about either understanding Tolle or not should read Tolle is either right or he is not.

Don't play The Emperor's New Clothes. Only awesome people can see them, if you can't see them you are not awesome. A fairly egoic argument from a Tolle stalwart.


Peace,

kowalski

PS. I wrote that before reading the last 3 posts, as they weren't there when I started writing it.


Peace,

kowalski