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25-10-2009, 08:46 PM
I'm suprised nobodys written a field report on this yet, anyway I'll kick things off then. I'm nackered so I'll try keep this as brief as possible.
First off, good to see more guys out, we had 8 on Friday! things are picking up down here! Wooo!! Sincerely, it was a pleasure meeting the new guys.
Good to see the guys progressing.
Friday
Not that target rich, most places we go are pretty thin on the ground with talent that night. Anyway no excuses we plough on with what is there. Takes me a while to open my first set that night, don't know why am I procrastinating? I'm not feeling that nervous. Open direct first set, see attraction initially, begin to fluff talk, don't escalate the spark fades, no attempt at closing.
Open shit loads of sets after mainly on the street, spot 4 mixed set of Asians, one girl is smoking hot. I have them all captivated I begin to lose momentum I want to isolate my target I can see she's attracted. I'm begining to struggle I'm hanging, I need a wing to swoop in and help me out with the obstacles. No body comes to my aid I'm flying solo. I tell myself I can't close her infront of her friends like this, in theory I guess this is not ideal and with the social pressure around her she's less likely to oblige to my requests. Worth a shot anyway perhaps... I refrain from attempting the close (dickhead! I tell myself).
Open girl clearly with boyfriend who happens to be within earshot. I find her stunning so I tell her. I don't condone hitting on girls with boyfriends but I'm all about pushing myself at the moment and giving the two fingers to social constraints. She welcomes my approach but points to and tells me the guy sat next to her is her boyfriend, I say 'It's ok we don't need him'. What's the guy going to do? Beat me up? No! She's very apologetic that she can't give me her number.
Wing a few of the guys (I'm pretty good at dealing with the obstacles and cockblocks these days). Open more sets, nothing too spectacular. Once im in the zone now opening is easy, closing the deals is my sticking point now.
Saturday
Meet Blanca and Pavel for some day game, my second attempt at this, fucking hell its difficult!! Just approaching is tough. This is a mental barrier of mine that needs smashing to pieces, however we all opened and did the goals we intended to achieve. Why is this so hard? It shouldn't be, the vast majority of people will respond and be polite when you open them. The first approach is always a weight lifted the others get that bit more easier thereafter.
With the pressures of daygame behind us night-game is a stroll in the park. We are all opening, and not only are we opening we are opening massive sets with gorgeous women in them. Pavel is doing awesome, I love his game, so ballsy, upfront and no messing around. Summer Junkys working behind the bar (discount drinks! result!) he has a new air of confidence about him which is great to see and women are now slipping their phone numbers to him!
I am getting shit-tested left right and centre but now I love it and relish it. I'd used to back-off with my tail between my legs when this happened or I'd become completely upstaged with chodish behaviour and fail miserably. I recognise this is nothing personal, its something women do, deal with it.
One girl I'd opened is drinking jagermister and says 'What would you do if I poured this drink all over you?' First thing that came out and I said 'I'd smack you in the mouth' said in a very serious tone. Instantly I'm saying to myself 'Christ you can't say that to a girl'. I can't back-track, don't apologise! Too my suprise she just says 'Ok' then begins qualifying herself to me, kinoing me and posing for pictures with me. This is illogical shit. Pavel is telling me to close the deal, he is right I should and I can. Her friend drags her away and says they need to meet their friends (yeah right). No deal.
Open more sets, some women (very few to be honest) are being complete bitches and their behaviour completely unacceptable bordering on sociopath. Its pathetic, I feel embarrassed for them, no skin off my nose.
Pavel and Blanca leave, my non-community friend (who is sceptical of pickup and came to see what it was all about) wants to go to a strip-club I begrudingly oblige as I'm now nackered. I personally don't mind strip-clubs, I find the social dynamics at play within them quite intriguing. I never buy a dance. Yes the girls are hot, whether they're surgically enhanced or not and yes they all come over and run a little spiel and entice you to dance (get your wallet out). Hmm...this concept sounds familiar? lol.
Girls are approaching me, this gets quite annoying after a while. I just say 'To be honest I'm not interested in paying £20 to see your vagina' to my suprise this gets them laughing and they stay and chat and thereafter don't try the hard sell. My friend on the other hand is agreeing to a dance with any girl that offers! he is getting raped yet bizzarely seems to not mind. I'm just vibing with the girls, not talking the lame shit that guys talk about in strip-clubs. I'm getting to know these girls more for who they are beyond their work, im chilled, not intimidating or phased by the Double D breasts perched beside me. My only reference to them is that I say 'They look real expensive'. She laughs and tells me £4 grand each, I move the conversation along. Other girls come join the chat. Guys are now approaching them for dances because several of them are now sat round me instead of drumming up business. They'd go off shake their tic-tacs in a private booth then return to my table. The bouncers are giving me funny looks, fuck them!...meat heads.
I'm not treating these girls like an ass-hole like some guys in strip-clubs think is the way to behave, they are just human so I treat them that way and they are only trying to make a living so I respect that. They tell me I'm alot different to the guys they usually see in the club I take this as a compliment, they are intrigued to know more asking questions of me. When asked what I've been upto that day, I'm honest and tell them i've been out trying to pick-up women. They dig deeper and want to know more, this gets onto subjects such as 'Socially Awesome' and game generally, I explain as best I can. I point them in the direction of Kowalski and Jynx's blog they are fascinated and agree that the concept is infact Awesome. They view my explanation of pick-up generally and the community as a positive thing. They're interactions with me become more genuine and less fake.
Suddenly another blonde girl with large breasts joins the table. I think I recognise this girl so I ask her name, she says 'Ruby' and I say 'No, not your pornstar name, your real name?' She tells me 'xxxxx', I say 'xxxxx xxxxxxx' (I'm not revealing her name for you guys to go hunting for her on FB, it wouldnt be fair on her she doesn't want people to know about her weekend profession..., ooops, cats out of the bag, my bad). She asks how I know her name, I tell her who I am, her jaw drops! We used to live across the street from each other, go to the same school and were playmates, now she's a playmate of a different kind. She tells the rest of the girls who I am and how she knows me, we tell stories of the times we had as kids. I am getting social-proof by a stripper! its quite surreal.
My friend wants a dance with her so they go off for a few minutes. The other girls are still around me, the conversation turns to sex we all talk about what turns us on and turns us off. The girls tell me about some famous guys they have fucked (Apparantly Dany Dyer isn't very good in the sack and not blessed in the meat and veg department). My friend is now dried and spent up in more ways than one and wants to leave. I tell them i'm off some of them say they are going to checkout Kowalskis and Jynx's blog. My friend says 'Do you all want to comeback to our hotel?' .They decline prostitution. xxxxx girl tells me to add her on FB, I don't ask for the number I know this is not allowed in strip-clubs but maybe I should have broken this rule, maybe I hid behind that rule.
Once we left I say to my friend 'So, how was xxxxx?' His response, 'Great tits,.. minging fanny.'.......Delightful.
In summary:
-Opening is becoming much easier, once in the zone I think I'm addicted to the thrill and adrenaline that comes with it.
- Im handling shit tests alot better than I used to.
- Rejection, if it occurs is only a fleeting sensation and soon dissipitates.
- My frame is coming alot stronger and dominant
- Wierd, as I'm by no stretch of the imagination a physically intimidating guy but other guys in a venue seem to move out of the way and give me space as if a sign of respect.
- My body language is usually pretty good and I no longer feel I need to be concious of it.
- Once in I am just talking about whatever comes into my head, sometimes its good, sometimes not so. The point is I am not worrying so much about what I should or shouldn't be saying.
- I'm becoming quite cocky at times, I don't know how I feel about this. Is this good or bad??
- I love opening direct.
- Im currently piss-poor at daygame
- I need to pull the trigger and CLOSE!! FUCKING CLOSE!! I know how, i've done it before, but I need to push myself to be consistent in doing this!!!!
Guys if you see me not attempting this next time, please kick my ass!!!
- My humour is possibly abit too dry for some women, but I don't care if this is to be free expression of the authentic self then so be it.
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25-10-2009, 11:31 PM
Dude I can't believe you guys went to Wildcats in the end! Sounds like it went well too - I feel some facebook game coming on here
I'd like to apologise to the Bristol boys in general for my shocking performance on Friday night. I failed to approach a single set all night and to be honest, never got in the zone. Part of me blames there being a dearth of talent about, another part blames AA, enhanced by the fact that I was stone cold sober all night. Either way I let everyone down by choading out on Friday - I know a couple of the lads were looking up to the likes of me and Hustler for inspiration and I didn't deliver. On a more positive note it was excellent to see so many guys out. Some of the newer faces really got stuck in and tried some sets, kudos for the effort lads.
Saturday was better though, I managed to come up against what's known in the trade as a Bitch Fortress in the form of a 2 set (in the Pitcher and Piano). Picture the scene - sober sarging (which I'm starting to enjoy by the way!) a 2 set of girls who really did think they were "all that". Here's but a taster of some of the shit tests that came my way:
"You're really young - how old are you?"
"Have a guess how old we are"
"We don't like men, they're lying bastards"
"Come back in a few years when you're a rich dentist"
"If you win this game you get to buy me a drink"
Thankfully, I had my cocky trousers on last night and I well and truly showed them who was boss. Alas, the best friends routine failed. Hard. Again. When I asked if they used the same shampoo, they just both went "yep" without looking at each other. When I said "Oh bad luck, you failed the best friends test" they just said "well, we're best friends so clearly your test just sucks". Touche. I bailed shortly after. Moral of the story? No matter how they respond to the shampoo question, they pass. Girls don't appreciate some random guy telling them they don't know each other. Interestingly enough, the exact same thing happened (almost verbatim) when I was out with the riding club the other night (word to the wise - rich horsie-loving daddies girls are very, very fun to chat up. Although one confessed to having a crush on Paddy Ashdown, Jeremy Clarkson and the guy that played the Demon Headmaster when I was a kid, which was just plain wierd).
Day game was fun too, I'm going to get involved in it more. Pavel is very keen on it - his logic is that if you can fearlessly approach and have an interaction in the sober, hard light of day, you're sorted at night. In fact, he had a pretty lady take a photo of us all in Cabot Circus. Mate if you're reading this, put it up, it was a good one.
Last night was fun though Stu. I think we may be able to get Phil onto here, he told me on a number of occasions how badly he wants to get involved, just can't seem to take the first step. Pavel was absolutely on fire. Honestly, he approached nearly every pretty girl we saw, with mixed results. No canned stuff, no "material", just initiating conversation with whatever came first to mind. A particular favourite was the way he pointed at a girl until she looked inquiringly at him, at which point he waved and walked over to start a conversation. Much respect last night mate, you owned the place.
Something I think we should try is what Pavel suggested last night - sticking in one bar all night and making it our own. The P+P, for example, had a very good turnover of babes, and had be been in there and shot the shit all night, our natural alpha male demeanours and fun vibe would've had us owning the place (and the women).
My learning points for the weekend:
1) Body language - backwards analysing my tough 2 set in the P+P made me realise my body language isn't quite right. I was too high energy, in-your-face and reactive to what they said. I should've kept cool at all times.
2) Speaking too fast - kind of comes under the body language umbrella, but I think I'm speaking too quickly when talking to girls. As a first impression, it immediately suggests a lack of confidence which is never good.
3) They ALWAYS win the friendship game. Giving validation and value is always better than trying to take it away by being the know-it-all.
4) I need to man up and power through my AA. If I put my mind to it I can conquer it, but especially in target-poor locations it's hard to simply bounce from set to set and get inside my head. It's at these times I need to grow a pair and approach. On this note, it's important to start as you mean to go on. Something I realised last night is that if you approach early it gives you a huge confidence boost and releases some of the pressure to approach on a night out.
5) This sober sarging lark is a winner for me. If I can approach and hold a set when sober, I'm going to be fucking unstoppable with a few ciders in me!
6) Boys, get practicing those shit tests, especially if you're young like me (I'm only 21 in December, and I look it). A lot of the shit I took from girls over the last couple of days was about my age. If girls can tell you're younger than them, it's a fairly strong DLV and you have to work hard to get them in line. Pavel suggested I don't shave before I go out, I'll try it next time.
Fuck. I forgot to do the Apocalypse.
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25-10-2009, 11:57 PM
Blanca, you thought you had a shocking performance Friday night? I had an absolute stinker! The one approach I made was at the end of the night and I got AMOG'd by her boyfriend instantly. I don't know what happened Friday night but I lost my head after that place with the live band and just wasn't in the frame of mind to open sets after that.
I'll have to make it up next time.
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26-10-2009, 01:46 PM
Alex I love you and I'm going to dish out some tough love. Please feel free to dish it back to me whenever you feel I need it. Don't take this the wrong way I'm just saying it as I currently see it with you, I hope you can benefit from my thoughts.
1) I didn't realise you didn't approach anyone on Friday. The fact that Friday night was pretty poor in terms of the talent available it's all too easy to hide behind that as an excuse and I know all too well as I've used it as an excuse many times before. You've been involved in this community now for a while now and you need to take your fair share of hits and approach more often. You can do this, i've seen you do this previously.
2) Forget the best friends test now. Aks yourself 'Why am I using this routine?' if its simply to just get you opening your mouth to women and you're not concerned about the outcome then fair enough. However if you are looking for a certain response from them you are fishing for validation of your routine and women can sense that. When you're trying to 'entertain' a women like that they know it must come with a price, entertainers seldom entertain people for free they are always looking to be reciprocated with some kind of value. You have all the value that you need in your own mind, you don't need to go getting it from other people.
I'd recommend you watch a few clips of 'Keys to the VIP' on You Tube and watch some Naturals at play in bars and clubs. Some genuinely are Naturals, others its questionable, however you'll learn alot by observing how these guys carry themselves, their tonality and the sort of things they say to women you'd be suprised at how simple it can be.
3) Relax and chill out abit more when you're out, the focus of a nightout is to have fun kick your outcome-dependance to the curb! As soon as you start thinking 'I need to approach 10 sets tonight, try out this line, this routine etc' The focus of your night shifts to achieving objectives which will ultimately put pressure on you and you are less likely to enjoy yourself and be 'in the moment'. Yes you do talk quite fast when I sense you are nervous, I wouldn't worry about that too much that will just correct itself when you become more used to and comfortable approaching women.
You naturally have this good vibe about you as its part of the talkative and charasmatic personality that you own, just embrace that. When Pavel invited that hot 30 something to join us you're banter with her when you were taking a picture of her and Pavel was spot on! and came across very naturally.
4) About your age, yes you do look quite young and that is simply because you are. If this does really bother you then by all means experiment with growing some stubble as suggested. However as shit-tests go them calling you out on your age is no big deal, infact I think you're getting off lightly! Youth is something that is envied by older people!
There's so much you can throw back at them when they shit test you on this. For example;
'You're too old for me'.
'So what if I'm only 21 Im in my sexual prime!'.
'You're only as old as the man you feel'. etc etc
Phil and I were talking yesterday on the way home. Phil says potentially you could be the best at this and I would have to agree with him!
Hope some of that helps.
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26-10-2009, 01:55 PM
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I think we may be able to get Phil onto here, he told me on a number of occasions how badly he wants to get involved, just can't seem to take the first step.
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Great stuff Stu getting Phil out with everyone. I've met him a few times and he's a great guy. He just needs to start believing in himself. Now he's seen what's possible on a night out with you guys, Stu's transformation in particular, he'll believe what is possible for himself.
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26-10-2009, 04:11 PM
Nice one hustler for the stripper story, loved the way you just treated them like normal people
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26-10-2009, 05:52 PM
Stu you're an absolute genius introducing me to this "Keys to the VIP" thing. Honestly, I've been meaning to go to the gym for the last 3 hours but can't drag myself away from youtube! It's an inspiration to watch proper natural game at work, I can't wait to get out into the field and try it.
I think we should play some of the games when we're out - we'll have fun, which is always key, plus it'll remove the whole "we're here to pick up girls" thing. For a definitive list of all the games check wiki:
Keys to the VIP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As for the advice and criticism, I appreciate your honesty, you've helped me identify areas where I need to improve, areas I might not have recognised myself. It'll only help me get better so it's all good stuff.
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Phil and I were talking yesterday on the way home. Phil says potentially you could be the best at this and I would have to agree with him!
Hope some of that helps.
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Ohhh you! Stop it you're embarrasing me  I'm going bright red here!
Seriously though this means alot. I'm gonna step my game up, and try this natural approach. It seems more me and, well, more "natural"!
One final thing, did you see that guy Phil on " Keys to the VIP"? The homeless guy with the green polo shirt? Holy Jesus, he had some game!
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26-10-2009, 06:43 PM
I'd recommend stubble blanca, girlies seem to like it, even an ex who hated it when I was with her then we got together for some no strings fun and she said she actually likes it now.
I used to grow it then wet shave it off and used to cut the crap out of my face due to my crazy beard swirls but then I got a trimmer (not an electric shaver they are gash) and now I constantly have stubble.
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27-10-2009, 11:34 PM
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I'm suprised nobodys written a field report on this yet
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I nearly did but was in danger of just rambling on about negative shit. Wasn't one of my best nights, and even though I opened a fair bit, I didn't really get any kind of connection going on.
Hey Cafia I felt exactly the same mate after that bar with the live band. I had one shit set in there and then bang, my head was all fucked up for the next hour - two hours. I need to get a lot more resilient if i'm gonna get good at this!
Enjoyed winging you though Stu in the street - first time I've done that and although it was only one bird we seemed to work pretty well together. Sorry I wasn't able to assist you with them Asian babes, but like i said I just wasn't really coming up with the goods and i didn't want to fuck it up for you.
Managed to pull something out of the hat towards the end of the night, but I was getting the 'I've got a bf' line too often for my liking, and just gave up in the end, defeated by my own lack of self esteem. 
Cheers again for the lift Cafia, you're the fucking man!!! It would have cost me 15 quid to get a taxi. I owe you drinks i thinks.
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28-10-2009, 12:08 AM
Summer Junky don't worry about it. Everytime I see you you're making progress, that first set you opened was the first of any of us that night, you walked straight over and opened them, so what the conversation started flagging you opened them sober and held your own for a good 5-10minutes. The more you expose yourself too this the better you will get, you will fuck up more times but eventually things will start to click naturally.
I like winging with you, you're a good wingman we didn't try to get one up on each other and intead you give value to people and that is a good thing, that instantly sets you apart from all the other chumps that try it on with girls like that.
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