Im just thinking that are wingmen useful? as i have found that when they get pissed and leery when im trying to work my magic on the ladies when approaching a loan woman in a outside bar area my wing approaches when im in full flow this i find very annoying and will be seting some rules with the dude or he is history .

Dont fucking ruin my sets mr so called wingmen whats your view on this particular problem as i have the concept of how wingmen should act.?????.

I think in future im better of doing it on my own as i have skill and enjoy socailising and have gained so much confidence in just a month im dating a sexy woman i met in a book store and had one lay as well with a different girl.

I was pratising being very forward and acting like a pimp as this is the attitude that women simply find attrative i find they look sexulised and in the moment im pushing the boundarieies and find kino very effective as this certainaly gets there emotions sparking.

IM finding the whole pua experiece very excilarating and highly stimulating im reading sigmund fleud a very intresting views on women.Well i must go now.

Wings should only come into set to help you, not to get a free warm approach.

I've had to talk to my wings about it once, and the problem is non existant now

-Loke

I know exactly how you feel! A good wing can help get you a number, DHV you and even get you laid! That's his job. If you want a clear understanding of what a wing should do, refer to the wingman rules in the Venusian Arts hand book.

I was out saturday night and was doing really well in this 2 set, cocky funny, made them laugh then my wing came in and killed it. He didn't calibrate very well, his body language, non verbals needs work a long with having a smile too. I really feel for him because he can open but never gets anywhere as he is missing some very important elements. This is not the first time he has messed it up for me either. Its important to find good wings, who are competent and if they are new, go over some rules.

Met some new guys couple of weeks ago and through no fault of his own, one of them took sides with this girl over me, which is something you should never do. I have also had wings steal my targets but half of that was my fault because I need to work on my frame control.

If your wing is doing this all the time, don't hang out with him anymore or explain the situation. Some of my wings treat it like a social night so they will just chat amongst themselves. I have nothing against that because it is very important to get to know your wing when you first meet them so you can learn how you both think. This also makes it more natural in set.

When I meet newbies they will either stay on the sidelines while I open a set or come in but act clumsily which could mean I lose the set altogether. But we have all done this, however being pissed is no excuse.

Some sets you do need a wing for but if you're doing daygame or running smaller sets its ok to do without a wing. But if you're looking for wings, stipulate certain qualities they should have so it will make it easier although hanging out with newbies can help you improve as you have to take on teh role as teacher. Explain soem rules before you go out, and limit the amount of alcohol you have. If you guys want to drink, make it a non sarging night because any chode can approach while intoxicated.

Pass these on to your wing. 101 Rules stated below:

1. The one who opens the set owns it. Let him pick his target, while the wing occupies the obstacle(s).

2. The wing should enter later, not with you in A1 (Basically the first 2 - 3 minutes). He should wait for IOIs from the set. Entering together appears predatory.

3. Wings take priority over the set. If the wing enters, face him and greet him. Don’t reduce his value by talking with the set in spite of him.

4. "The Michelle Gambit" - When the wing enters he should ask you if you’ve seen Michelle, while he ignores the set. You respond No and then as he leaves to ‘find Michelle’ you grab his arm as an after-thought and say ‘Hey, man you should meet these girls. They’re cool.’ Neg the target to identify her to the wing ('...except this one, I'm still not sure about her'). Next, the wing introduces himself and asks how they know you. He then occupies the obstacle(s) (the one you aren’t negging).

5. As an alternative to #4, run an AI (accomplishment intro) for the wing and then introduce him.

6. The wing can occupy the target for a few minutes to in essence AI you, then pass the target back to you.

7. When asking permission of the set to isolate the target, your wing should be the first to say yes, so that the obstacle will likely go along with it.

8. Once the target is isolated, the wing should stay away.

9. Always take the wing’s side in an disagreement.

10. If later kino escalation is timed such that you and the wing are escalating similarly, compliance will improve. That is, often a girl will feel like less of a slut if her friend is complying. In contrast, if one has escalated faster than the friend, they may both reject the escalation.

Dump your wingman he's killing your game. Monkeybusters rules are dead on. My favourite PUA (the best teacher by a far far mile) Roosh V has these similar wingman rules:
Wingman Rules » Roosh V

punch him

You know there are times you can approach together like if your introducing your wing to get him in set "hey guys have you met Neil?" this forces him if he has bad AA and the girls to chat with him as it makes it socially awkward so they feel compelled to talk to him.

Must say though some of the rules are a little too complicated. I have said to my wings that when they see me shaking hands with the girls that means I have introduced myself, hence we have exchanged names therefore they can come in and I will introduce them, simples lol!

2 of my best wings woulld simply wait 3 minutes and if it was going well the other would come in. They winged each other like pros! I don;t think you need to overdo it with such things as accomplishment intros, just keep it simple otherwise it can make things harder. But you must find a way of signalling to your wing who your target is. However I do have a wing/friend who doesn;t like game, he's a great guy though but will just start talking to girls naturally in such a way that the attention will be on him from them both and when I come in, its hard for me to engage the other one as he doesn;t follow any structure or method anymore.

some posts i get 5 words in the fall asleep

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