The Austrian chick calls me saying she wants to hang out, while I am working. I tell her, "Hey I will call you back as soon as I'm done." She texts me an hour later to say, "Hey, I'm sorry for how I've been a lately I want to see you tonight can we have dinner?" At the time I am teaching another lesson, but I text back to say, "Yes, I will call you in half an hour." It gets late by the time I am done and I want to go running and get my shit together, so at 21.00 I call her and say, "Maybe it's a bit late for dinner but we can meet anyway, you go eat and I'll call you when I'm done."

I get back from running and say, "Meet me in the centre at 23.00." She says, "I'm tired and I don't want to got to bed late." I decide she has jumped through enough (unintentional) hoops and I say, "Okay, I will come and get you in half and hour, from your house." She says, "Great, that is perfect."

I turn up at her house and the guy that she lives with (not "official" boyfriend, don't break my balls, comes storming out and walks right past me without saying anything).

She comes out after two minutes. She has a bad cough. She has been sick all week. She tells me, "Hey, I'm a little bit tired, I would like to go somewhere quiet and maybe watch a ROMANTIC movie together." I tell her, "Okay, let's go to my house." She says, "Good idea."

As luck would have it, my fucking scooter would not start. I say, "Let's go have a beer first and get a bottle of wine to take with us.My scooter will start,after it has had a break."

She agrees. We go. We come back with drinks in a bag and "praise the lord" this time my scooter starts. We go back to mine to watch a movie. I always choose a movie that I have seen before, because I know exactly what emotional state I want her to be in.

I tell her to light incense, while I'm doing something else (to get her to invest in the seduction process).

During the movie there is a lot of heavy petting, foot and shoulder massaging (going both ways) etc.

I tell her she has something on her lips and she asks me, "What?" I go in to kiss her and say, "Me." She laughs and we make out. My hand wanders up her skirt and on her boobs. She tells me, "Wait until the movie is over." I do. After the movie (which finishes with the protagonist having sex) I tell her, "Now it's my turn. I am going to fuck you until you can't walk straight and I don't want to hear any arguments (Phil style)." She laughs and we make out more.

Then she says, "NO, I'M GOING TO FUCK YOU, when I decide!" At this point I am blocked. I am feel obliged to back up so as not to seem a "sex pest".

I do a Mystery style freeze out and start playing funny videos on Youtube. She keeps cuddling up to me, taking my hand etc. Then she starts to talk. She tells me, "I want you to know, I had a long talk with my flat mate last night and I told him that nothing can happen between me and him again... BUT... it's got nothing to do with you." I say, "Sure, I know that (yeah right), he seems like a lovely guy. I have nothing against him and I don't want to hurt anyone."

Yet again she tells me that I am ambiguous. I say, "I know, but it's better than being one dimensional right? At least I'm fun." (Obviously, I can't tell her that I am in turmoil between two opposing styles of PUA.)

She tells me, "You told me that you would take me home." I say, "Yeah, but I did not say WHEN. I'm going to take you home in the morning(taken from AFC Adam Lyons). She laughs, but she clearly feels the need to go home. I stop acting an arrogant cunt, kiss and cuddle her and then take her home. Obviously, she wants to see me again. Watch this space....

After you deliver your Philism statement, don't you think you should have gone for it rather than just make out some more?

Dude, you are a fucking genius! Do you not think I tried that??? I'm not a rapist.

woah! How old is this girl?

Ok midas mate... u need a lesson...

u need to do these things to the letter

Say, Right im going to fuck you untill you cant think straight.... (its an offer of more than regular sex....

If she says AFTER THE MOVIE, dont just go UHHHHH OK BOSS... say SHUT THE FUCK UP, Movie... the movie can wait

take her by the hand, lead her to WHERE U WANT TO GO i e bedroom and say follow me (if she asks where, laff and say to see my cd collection)....

pin her to the wall like A MAN IN THE MOVIES SHE LOVES SO MUCH.... u look more like a sex pest slipin ur hand up her skirt with INTENT of a 14 year old boy .... u dont look like a sex pest by TAKING what u want.

stop bein a pussy and feeling the need to back up what u say and do... if she doesnt like it, tell her to fuck off... ur the boss..

if a girl doesnt message me back i dont stress or re text i just think... fuck her, if she dont like what i wrote, she can suck my dick...

most of what i do is disregard of the outcome. stop bein a little pussy mate

jokin aside, u have that fear of what she thinks like i used to... once thats gon an u realise theres a million girl out there...

NOT ONE OF THEM WILL LEAVE U, coz they can feel when u dont care... and they LOVE IT

and also... of the 2 people in ur title... im not makin money from my shit...

First, please stop spamming the fuck out of the forum with multiple identical posts.


Second, you are fucking it up all on your own. If you are saying "I'm gonna fuck you right now" because Phil said to say it, then that will come across when you say it. This is incongruence and she will feel it. If it is coming from your core intent, that will come across when you say it too. This is congruence and she will feel it.

In many cases this will be the difference between success and failure.


More importantly and something Phil has not stated strongly enough for you to take on board is that there is a universe of difference inside the person who genuinely thinks like the and the person who is employing it as a tactic.

The tactic guy is doing it to solicit a particular outcome and, if that outcome is not forthcoming, he will change tack and try another way to achieve it.

The authentic guy is just acting on his intentions, right now he wants to fuck the girl, so he goes for it. If she doesn't go for it, she isn't who he thought she was and, unless she has a satisfactory explanation that she is immediately forthcoming with, they probably won't get along so he'll say 'never mind, see you around'.

All of that comes across and will mean it will work more for the authentic guy.


You have told her you are gonna fuck her a bunch of times now and haven't each time. Your words mean fuck all now to her, she knows she is totally in charge. Two guys who are both chasing and competing and neither of them are getting the cheese. She probably isn't even playing you all on purpose and is rather just a slave to the rollercoaster of dramatic emotions this is all giving her and that she controls.

Any time you say 'I am going to x' or 'if you y, then I will x' to anyone, anywhere, anytime you need to follow through or you are fucked in respect of that person. Read a little about basic training psychology (dogs, children, etc.) or pick up Sun Tzu's Art of War (the Denma translation) to learn more about this.


If she knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that not having sex with you the first night she came back to yours would have resulted in the loss of all the fun emotional drama she is enjoying, she'd have probably raped the shit out of you.


Peace,

kowalski

best post ive seen on here tha K

kinda learned a bit from that myself

Didn't mean to do that. I posted it quite late after wine and a few beers.

It sounds like youre doing pretty well with her but need to be more leading as the others have said. If she said lets just watch the film thats a shit test. maybe joke 'I've seen it before and they all turn out to be ghosts at the end.' or something ..followed by breaking from the film 'lets pause it for a sec'. I find this stuff really useful anyway, by sharing this stuff we all benefit from these otherwise annoying girl situations. cheers and goodluck.