I headed out with some friends last night, kind of last minute thing. 3 of them are naturals, my lack of confidence when it comes to chicks is known. One upshot of this is that I was getting pushed to approach. Now I don't know what anyone else thinks, but I always find that when I'm told to go and talk to someone I struggle. When I'm not trying I open conversations everywhere I go.

The venue we went to wasn't great, the ratio was shocking, still had fun though. Ok the only real approach was one I got pushed into, I asked some cutie to take a picture of us, was chatting to her and her friend for a bit.

I'm not 100% on what happened last night(was kinda wasted) but I somehow ended up taking a couple of numbers while I was there, has another girl tell me she'd love to meet up but her bf might get upset.

On the bus home I got started talking to a cute french girl, chatting about rubbish and swearing at her in french generally being silly, anyway I took her number as well, we'll see what happens.

My conclusions on all this are that:
Number closing is easy
Numbers really don't mean shit (thanks Jaz)
I need to gain confidence to actually close.


I say number closing is easy because I've got at least 1 number everytime I've been out recently. I still haven't got anywhere though. It's starting to get on my tits. I know it's a case of being outcome dependent etc however this is a bitch of a paradox, how do you achieve that when your not getting any?

I dont get after a while of being on this forum, if people are taking the advice...(NON PUA ADVICE, THE NORMAL NON PUA THEORY ADVICE)

how anyone isnt getin at least 3 numbers every time they go out.

be cool & funny - get number - be cool & funny - call / text number - Dont be needy - go n date - Be Alpha - Fuck Her - decide what to do with Her

It's a case of experience, you find this easy, therefore it seems retarded that others can't do it. It's almost like what I'd call basic arithmetic, it's easy for me, but not everyone.
Oh I think I've got your first 2 "steps" down. It's the rest I'm struggling with.

watch a film called

PUBLIC ENEMY! watch johnny depp tell the girl she is his!

that scene says it all for me

I don’t get you at all your fortunate enough to be in the company of not one but three naturals and you’re on this site after advice?? I’ll grant you naturals couldn’t explain game if you gave them a pen and paper, but still if I had a choice when I started between David diAngelo and his travelling circus torrent ripped DVD’s or a few hours with a natural I know what I’d have opted for.

Why don't you watch RSD transformations and spend 20 hours in front of a computer, your problems with woman will instantly disappear and you’ll emerge a super confident guy that leaves a trail of pixie dust that magically attracts women wherever he goes.

or you could persist in what you’re doing because it works.

If you're confident enough to chat to girls on buses and get numbers why don't you stop taking numbers altogether?

You're obviously stuck in comfort and I'm guessing the numbers you get flake because she's giving her number to 'really nice guy she met last night' rather than the guy that looked liked he wanted to fuck her brains out and now she can't answer the txt fast enough.

Kiss close her or fuck close her from now on. Your success rate will drop but your chances will go through the roof, it might be another way to reduce you’re outcome dependency. Girls are going to reject you no matter what happens, I got rejected loads of times, so what.

You've already said confidence is an issue so start small, don't give up and with the right strategy you'll succeed.

Look, she knows why you’re stood in front of her okay maybe she’s stuck you in the ‘nice guy box’ but have the confidence to accept that she is in some way interested.

Kino is essential, if you want to fuck her. If you're not comfortable with this start small and build up to it. Don't shake her hand, hold it for a few seconds, squeeze gently then release, smell her neck and compliment her on her perfume, introduce sexual tension, add pauses, slow your speech down and look at her eyes/lips when you're talking to her. Make it clear what you're after chances are she worked it out a long time before you started doing it and if she’s still talking to you its ‘game on'.
Be playful and use kino if she does something wrong slap her hand and tell her the next one is on her arse.

Whilst we disagree on some things Knave, at least you are one of the few people offering solid practical advice on the forum

Why do people use these words, CLOSE and CLOSED?, we int making fucking business transactions here!!! You int negotiating a price with a prostitute, or are you?!! You sound like fucking muppets in my humble opinion when you use all this technical jargon, no wonder you aren’t "CLOSING"

"just do it"

AJay

How about 'giving her kidneys a wash'?

How original, i never heard this before and pretty sure that Tyler Durden did'nt mention this in Blueprint. By the way why we use the word "pull", as if it is tug of war.

Giant, I can add nothing more to this advice. I like your posts, you seem like a good guy, your problem seems to be just a fear of rejection.

I can't remember who it was but they suggested a rejection game. You get points for getting the best rejection! make your own with your mates - 10 points for being rejected, 50 if you can get a slap and a full 100 for getting a drink tipped over you. Once you;ve done it a few times, you'l see that really it isnt that bad at all!

Also realise that a girl isn't rejecting you! She doesn't know you, how can she serious reject somebody she doesn't know?

Have fun!!