I'm Jack, from Redcliffe in London, used to write for a pickup blog, got a girlfriend, became AFC, got dumped, now I'm back here.

Time to get back to the PUA lifestyle!

There is something very fishy going on here, that’s the second time tonight a new member has triggered my suspicion, maybe I need to quit smoking kowalski's weed it’s making me paranoid.

Thanks to google active membership is at an all time low but do we really need any more sock puppets to fuel debate?

Seriously, if you are for real Jack/Volta you sound like you've just stepped out of the pages 'the game', you'd be better on this forum.

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The site you’re on isn't a PUA forum despite being called the PUA forum, I know its fucked up but there you go.

Anyway, voltaire why would you become an AFC just because you're fucking a girl on a regular basis? AFC's are needy sad little fuckers that cling to women, why would you suddenly change after being a player? It makes nooooo sense.

i think u will find, afcs dont exist! its a pua made title

they class people who foung THE GAME pua

and anyone else afc

its crap... i know guys who have out fucked any pua u can mention who have never even read a book

regardless of what most guys in their PUA community consider it, AFC to me means 'another fucking chump', meaning someone who believes girls are the controllers, the sex providers, the guys who get lead around by girls, or guys that'll jump at any sexual/relationship opportunity because they don't man up and go after what they'd prefer and/or they don't qualify their women.

(personally, I don't think I've ever been afc, but I've definitely not been good with girls in the past, and my lack of skills deffinelty kept me from getting laid in the past because I've always been choosy)

So, if you followed my definition, pua's are in no way graduated or enlightened afc's... my reasoning is just because you can pick up girls doesn't make you a 'man'... in fact if the PUA's "inner game" is weak this PUA guy is probably an afc who's pretending to be dominant by using PUA techniques, but under the surface is still a needy dependent guy or someone who'll jump at the first woman who spreads her legs. AFC wrapped up as a PUA. Both at the same time.

So in my mind you can be one of the other, or both PUA and AFC at the same time (needy, technique-driven guys) or neither (phil's example of naturals/self taught).

Both terms of AFC and PUA are separate labels in different categories.

And oftentimes I think that a good percentage of internet pua's are really closet afc's in real life. Hell, maybe I am and I don't even know it :P

no mate dont say that about urself


ur just a closet gay thats all

This is the best debate ever. Thanks for fueling it Jaz ... errr ... I mean Volta.


Peace,

kowalski

kowalski likes to think everyone has 2 accounts

Are you 8 steps behind or 1 step beyond, Phil?


Peace,

kowalski

Sadly I am for real, my ex was a total b1tch and made me into a clingy whiny mug, which isn't who I am at all
She screwed me over, so I got all frustrated and lost my confidence (hence AFC), but I'm starting to get an ego again now!

I read The Game years ago, and yeah, it's a fun story, but nothing life-changing, and I use the term PUA in reference to me actively wanting to get better at talking to (and pulling) girls y'know? I'm no Casanova, but I wouldn't mind that lifestyle!

Anyway, the banter on this site is hilarious, so I think I'll stick around

am i phil??? or am i you kowalski???