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05-10-2009, 12:15 AM
I've always been proud to be a hippie. I'm willing to bet that some of you haven't and don't think of yourselves as one. Well it is time to re-evaluate your cognition of what you are. Because if you get this PU stuff then you are a hippie too.
Now ... before you, influenced by this revelation, run off to start tie-dyeing all your clothes, hug some trees and smoke pot, let me explain. Fuck it ... do run off and burn a zoot first you hippie bastard. Then, when you're nicely toasted, curl up in front of your monitor with some chill dub and check this shit out.
What does it mean to be a hippie? Let me quote a little Hunter S Thompson at your mind.
"There are four states of being in the cannabis or marijuana society: Cool, Groovy, Hip and Square.
The square is seldom if ever cool. He is not "with it," that is, he doesn't know "what's happening." But if he manages to figure it out he moves up a notch to "hip." And if he can bring himself to approve of what is happening he becomes "groovy." After that with much luck and perseverance, he can rise to the rank of "cool.""
And the lyrical master that is Krs One.
"Hip means to know
It's a form of intelligence,
To be hip is to be up-date and relevant.
Hop is a form of movement,
You can't just observe a hop
You got to hop up and do it.
Hip and hop is more than music.
Hip is the knowledge
Hop is the movement.
Hip and hop is intelligent movement."
Most of us in the community in at least one element of comprehension, namely female to male attraction, are hip. We know what's happening, we have figured it out. This site is our hippie commune.
Of course some of our number are not quite there yet. They know that their is an it that is happening, that it is there to be figured out but, so far, it has eluded them and this is manifest in their behaviours and results.
Why is this so? We have all been exposed to the same teachings. Yet some of us get it already and some of us are still searching?
One of my favourite philosophers is Ludwig Wittgenstein. His Tractatus Logico Philosophicus contains a discussion that can help us understand this phenomenon.
"6.341 ... Let us imagine a white surface with irregular black spots on it. When we say that whatever kind of picture these make, I can always approximate as closely as I wish to the description of it by covering the surface with a sufficiently fine square mesh, and then saying of every square whether it is black or white. In this way I shall have imposed a unified form on the description of the surface. The form is optional, since I could have achieved the same result using a net with a hexagonal or triangular mesh. Possibly the use of a triangular mesh would have made the description simpler: that is to say it might be that we could describe the surface more accurately with a course triangular mesh than with a fine square mesh (or conversley), and so on. The different nets correspond to different systems for describing the world ..."
"6.342 ... The possibility of describing a picture like the one mentioned above with a net of a given form tells us nothing about the picture. (For that is true of all such pictures.)"
Here the picture, is a metaphor for reality. Or in the terms of this discussion it, that thing the essence of which some of us know while the rest of us continue to struggle with and misunderstand.
This misunderstanding is largely because no-one can be told what it is, we have to feel it out for ourselves. Many of those who don't get it struggle because they do not get that the mesh, the net (i.e. the theoretic descriptions and illustrative examples of community materials be that MM, Charisma Arts, RSD, SA or whatever) do not tell us anything about the picture (i.e. the it that is there to be understood) except that it can be described in such a way as is true of any picture (i.e. if it, female to male attraction were something other than what it is it could still be described in those terms e.g. value).
So what is the point of the community, of all the books, DVDs, bootcamps, seminars and forum discussions? Wittgenstein goes on to discuss the problem of explaining things that are beyond words and gives the best explanation I have been exposed to of how we should treat such information.
"6.53 The right method ... would be this. To say nothing except what can be said: ... and then always, when someone else wished to say something metaphysical, to demonstrate to him that he had given no meaning to certain signs in his propositions. This method would be unsatisfying to the other - he would not have the feeling that we were teaching him... - but it would be the only strictly correct method.
6.54 My propositions are elucidatory in this way: he who understands me finally recognises them as senseless, when he has climbed out through them, on them, over them. (He must so to speak throw away the ladder, after he has climbed up on it.)
He must surmount these propositions; then he sees the world rightly.
7 Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
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Are you hip? (continued) -
05-10-2009, 12:20 AM
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Here Wittgenstein is attempting to describe how to understand descriptions of the indescribable. A messy and indefinable concept.
When we read, watch, listen to community material that talks about metaphysical concepts like state, energy, frame, being 'in the moment', nimbus, etc. it is trying to describe the indescribable. As you absorb the words you'll have intuitive moments, moments of clarity. When you get these insights meditate on them a little. Allow yourself to become conversant with what you are feeling so it can embed itself.
Think of it like someone is trying to describe to you how to see one of those magic eye pictures, whatever they say and however hard you concentrate just doesn't seem to get you anywhere. Then when you relax a little suddenly the hidden 3D image reveals itself. If you try to focus on it, it vanishes. If you stay calm, the picture persists and eventually you learn to see the hidden image in any magic eye picture at will.
The is how you learn what it; state, energy, frame, being 'in the moment', nimbus, etc., is. It is a type of intelligence you can't just read about you need to feel it to engage with it.
If you are not hip yet, don't stress it. You know there is something that is happening. That puts you infinitely farther towards getting it than the non-community heads who don't even realise there is an it to be got.
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05-10-2009, 10:16 AM
Awesome post but just have to pull you up on the Hunter S Thompson quote, it wasn't actually him that said that it was Dr Edward R. Bloomquist 
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05-10-2009, 12:17 PM
Hunter didn't say it. As you correctly pointed out it is a quote from a character in one of his works of fiction.
I referenced it to Hunter as it is standard when referencing fiction to name the author rather than the character.
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05-10-2009, 01:13 PM
Dr Edward R. Bloomquist exists and fear and loathing is based on factual events.
It just struck me as an odd example considering it was clear Hunter didn't agree with his point of view "It was clear we had stumbled into a prehistoric gathering. The voice of a ‘drug expert’ named Bloomquist crackled out of the nearby speakers"
Anyway lets not get into random details your argument still holds true
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05-10-2009, 01:14 PM
Zing!!!!
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06-10-2009, 08:15 AM
Tom,
You are not hip. Although influenced by factual events, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is a fictional work. There's actually a couple of books coming out that identifies the facts and the fiction in Hunter's work.
Back to topic: Whatever Hunter's opinion of Dr Bloomquist's theory of the cannabis societies hierarchy, Hunter himself was taken with the notion of there being an it, something that is happening and the value of figuring it out. He was most certainly a hippie.
Hunter figured it out more than most. He saw the lies of society, media and politics and moved beyond them to discover the reality beneath and lived in alignment with what he discovered.
A role model to everyone in this community. Like Hunter we are very much a part of a counter-culture. We discard the norms of society perpetuated by the shortsighted and fed back to us by the media. For Hunter it was 'What should the role of government be?' for us it is 'What does attraction consist of?'
Don't stop there my hippie friends. Once you've figured that out and felt the increased power and freedom. There is an it to be figured out in most aspects of life. Keep expanding your mind to see more and more of the true reality. The more hip you are, the more freedom you feel and the more control you have.
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06-10-2009, 09:09 AM
You guys are too cool for school.
Am loving the hip then hop, knowledge then action connection.
But to bridge the gap its takes courage and heart.
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06-10-2009, 01:28 PM
More cool stuff from kowalski.
I echo what he says, about the problems of articulating (difficult to articulate) things.
Experiencing them is where it’s at. This is easier for some than for others. Perhaps intelligence helps – someone once told me being intelligent will help you in every walk of life (I kind of know what he meant).
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07-10-2009, 12:40 PM
I think all of that stuff flew right over my head!!
Maybe i've picked a bad day for reading stuff as my head is overloaded with information.
Has anyone translated this into layman's terms??!! lol!
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