Thats not the reason people hide it from others, for a guy to admit that he needs help in this area, is embarrassing. Even if hes just focusing on natural game.

Most people are ignorant to the PUA community as a whole, so who gives a fuck what they think, people with narrow minds and lacking ambition.

Your twisting the truth to suit your own beliefs, the rape argument is ignorant and insane.

Respect for putting in a concerted effort to address my arguments.

As I've already pointed out I'm not embarrassed. So it is not necessarilly embarrassing. If you personally are embarrassed, maybe you should begin by tackling that by working out exactly why you are embarrassed of who you are and your efforts to better yourself.

I already predicted this response ...
My friends and family are not narrow minded nor do they lack ambition. They have no problem with what I do. But they do have a problem with the kind of person who would even want to be able to covertly manipulate others socially. Whether it works or not, which there is no evidence that it does. This is the truth. No twisty.

If so show that it is, just saying it is proves nothing. The argument stands.

There's too much butthurt in this thread. Dude, you live nearby. Why not come hang with us sometime? We're nice guys, you'll like us and you'll see that no one has an agenda. We just like fun shit, chillaxing and causing jolly havoc.


Peace,

kowalski

embarrassed may not be the best word, i would say it lowers your value, in the eyes of some people, but thats not important because your value will improve in the long run, with success. Am not personally embarrassed because i dont think theres anything wrong with it. Women buy books on men,and relationships and thats considered fine in todays society, its just how todays society perceives certain things.

Amazing

All depends on a persons motives, whether it is wrong or not, I really doubt RJ would still be in business if his methods were completely BS.

I love everybody , its seems very clear that some people on here just want to feel good about themselfs by knocking others down, common psychological needs being fulfilled. The truth is most of us dont understand anywhere near as much as we think we do, most of our knowledge is based on our own perceptions in an attempt to satisfy our psychological desires to make us feel good/feel important. I have tried to put aside this and focus on the truth with a rational unbiased mind.

It's a shame you feel that way. I think most of the people who discuss stuff on here regularly are very constructive and passionate about what they say and are keen to help their fellow man rather than knock them down. We're all in this together dude, not that you have to agree with anything I say or vice versa. It is after all healthy to challenge one another's beliefs rather than drift along unaware of the possibilities.

Zone i know it might seem like they are putitng you down mate but your wrong, everyone here is just passionate about the game. (sure some more that others, me included )

But its a great environment, i think its safe to say everyone here is trying their best to improve both their and their fellow pua's game. Thats why we have a section entirely for field reports.

I think Kowalski gets frustrated sometimes as people haven't been trained or have knowledge of debate like he does so things go round in circles or more things are added without addressing previous arguments.

He did however hold out an olive branch to come and meet up and you go on about how people need to feel good about themselves and don't know much then say you focus on truth, rationality and being unbiased.

I don't think any of this has anything to do with peoples egos it's just because we have different stand points on subjects so If you say something I don't agree with or find fault in your reasoning or sources I'm not going to agree but it doesn't mean I'm looking for an ego boost.

I have a friend who is into conspiracy theories and we debate all the time about it, he's obviously totally wrong and I pull apart his methods and sources and he does the same but we're still very good mates.
I think it's harder on an internet forum as it's an impersonal method of discussion but debate helps address problems with your stance and find weaknesses in it, sometimes these weaknesses are so big you'll change your stance completely.

I used to be into conspiracies but I read and heard some things that changed my mind, I still think there's bad shit going on but I don't think some new world order is going to take over the world and some of the people who made me change my stance I don't agree with entirely (like Christopher Hitchens) I still have respect for them but I think they themselves would rather me look into their arguments rather than take it as face value.

So dude come and meet up with us, you'll see we're not too bad

Well said, I completly agree with you mate

p.s we didnt land on the moon, explain the waving flag, I didn't know knaan was famous back then lol

Am not just talking about me, av read plenty of posts on here by others that have been attacked.

I know people on here want to help others and be helped, thats one of the things i like about this community.

A lot of the views on here are good, but a little narrow minded, no room for maneuver.

Well ok tell me Zone which of these views do you feel are narrow minded?

I've read plenty of constructive criticism in the year that I've been on this forum that respresent a variety of views/methods/theories... call them what you will. It's together, as different as we might be, we are giving each other a bredth of views that are most certainly the opposite of narrow minded, and give every one of us yet more yeild to manovre and certainly more things to consider trying.