So many people work on their looks, their bodies, even on some level work harder to become wealthier in order to attract more friends and women.

Its human nature that people are attracted to certain types, especially in looks and personality, but do you really have to change drastically to be liked? Isn't that like selling out? So you're going to spend hours and hours at the gym to get a body like a male stripper just to get some hot model types.

All these guys with amazing physiques have women fawning over them just because of their looks. What happens when they suddenly stop training and just let themselves go? Those same women lose interest and move on to the next beefcake. The outer self does not really stay preserved. With time lines appear, the skin thinens, the hair greys or recedes but the true self does not wither or atleast it takes longer.

It is very easy for a less attractive guy to want what the more attractive guy has, a six pack, big muscles and chiseled look because he sees women admiring. But are they really admiring him or the mask that the muscles represent? At the end of the day we are all skeletons with muscles, and flesh attached. It is the shape of our bone structure that gives the flesh our human pattern.

A woman may she likes a guy with intelligence, sense of humour, blah blah but this is not apparent from just looking. The eyes see only the body infront of it and not the true nature of the person standing before them. Think about it, you can only admire someone's attractive features for so long until you become so used to them that something deeper beyond the aesthetic appears, i.e personality.

I know a lot of guys rely on their looks, their physiques to meet women. Certainly a muscle bound beefcake walking through the door of a bar will get some looks off women. The women will want to be carried off in those big arms and the guys looking will be jealous and make negative comments. But again its not him they are attracted to, its the mask he has put on.

So when you are true to yourself you don;t give rats testicle how people, especially women see you. You can look like the freaking elephant man and if you're totally living in your reality, unashamed and accepting of who you are that is more attractive in the long run. Nothing wrong however in staying in shape but make sure you do it for the right reasons and not to make other people happy.

On many occasions long ago in the past I have often been jelous of girls admiring other guys, even my own female friends talking about other guys they were attracted to. Because I wasn;t getting the same adulation I considered myself worthless and whenever I heard any girl say something positive about me it would lift my spirits but then i might hear something negative from another source and that would make me feel depressed.

By trying to fit in with other people's view of how you should be will only make you fall short every time. So what does it mean to be happy with yourself? I think its all about accepting your imperfections, your good and bad points. This is who I am and if you don't like it - fine!

I have to say I don't really follow your logic.

Healthy, muscular and confident males are attractive to women because those are traits they are programmed to seek in a mate, end of story. If you take the elephant man, give him all the self belief and confidence in the world, a load of cash and a sparkling personality the only females who will 'want' to fuck him are the whores, and they are available to anyone at a price.

These words are not meant to be unkind, but if you look like an unhealthy specimen (fat, skinny, stunted, scruffy, balding, disfigured etc) you are considerably less attractive to quality females. A woman may 'choose' a mate on the basis of the way he makes her feel, the security of his wealth etc at the expense of looks, but that same woman will have absolutely no choice at all when a healthy specimen of alpha maleness make his move, her genes will command her 'TAKE THE SPERM'.

I used to be a lanky streak of piss, but I went to work on it, 5 years down the road I see clear evidence every single day that it works, I am forever banging the wives and girlfriends of nice, happy, confident, wealthy men who don't look after themselves, God bless 'em.

Working to better yourself is the coolest thing ever. If YOU want to have more money or want to become healthier it can be the most beautiful transformation a person can make when its for themselves. People who do it to impress/attract others are usually cocks, who will go through life forever wanting more and never being satisfied.

What you would expect, they put weight on and lose muscle mass.

These women wont bring much joy to your life mate.

Not true. I have seen women admiring black guys but does that make me want to become black.

Again with the muscles mate, have you got some kind of complex about your physique.

Sensible woman.

This is why this community stresses the importance of good body language.

Haha poor guys.

Just like a guy who is 6ft6 will or a guy wearing an armani suit looking like a super pimp will.

Horrible generalisation bud and the guys are very insecure then.

I didnt realise it was a fancydress party


Yes mate.

Absolutley.

Im glad this was long ago and in your past. You were living like a yoyo letting people dictate your moods just by what they said and/or thought of you. You were living like a pauper. I hope you live like an Emperor now mate.


Absolutley.

You think like this mate and you'l be alrite

I understand that ...
Women are not robots.
Looks are attractive because they indicate other values. Any quality that indicates a value is equally valid and not qualitatively lesser than looks.


Peace,

kowalski

Thats the biggest load of tosh I've heard in a while. If someone has a personality then people stick to them like a magnet. All the amount of muscles in the world ain't gonna take women away from someone with higher social status than you.

True but you have to be careful about attributing male attractions mechanisms to women. If you want to know how a woman feels when she sees a good looking "buff" bloke, its more like the wow factor a bloke feels when he sees a Zonda (or a evo 10 for you chavs out there) than a raw sexual thing that a bloke feels.

Also non-tangible factor like social proof play a big part, being seen in the company of an attractive woman puts you instantly on the radar of every woman near by.

To pick up on the original point, yes you do have to be careful about building a false or unsustainable persona because you will lose the girl(s) that were attracted to it. Style himself was a victim of this when the girl he met at the end of "the game" gave him the boot later.

As I said, women may and do choose mates on a whole host of criteria other than looks, physique etc, but the fastest route into a girls mind is through her eyes. This social status argument holds little water in relation to this thread. Some of what you say implies that a great physique is something that can't accompany social status and all the other desirable traits. I disagree.

Imagine for a moment,that 2 men walk into a bar , both are well dressed and groomed, both seem confident and emit a positive vibe, both seem to be popular with others in the bar.

The 1st man is a short, balding, skinny runt of a specimen, the 2nd is 6'2'', with a full and thick head of hair and has the classic athletic proportions, straight spine, broad shoulders, narrow waist and long, lean muscular limbs.

Every single female in that bar, if pressed would 'select' the 2nd man as her preferred choice for a potential mate.

My point is, yes, social status matters, yes personality helps, yes financial security is a bonus but nothing trumps physical attractiveness to a woman in oestrus, in other words her genes will comunicate to her that, this is a great opportunity to fertilise our valuable egg with quality DNA. Marry the skinny one if you want, but for Gods sake please don't waste your egg, your time or your energy trying to raise his sickly progeny. The world is full of cuckolded beta males raising another, genetically superior males offspring.

I can't speak for other players, but I got involved with this community to improve my chances of sex with quality women, and of all the changes I made my improved physique has had the single most profound effect. The other stuff, personality, confidence, success at work etc are all amplified by a pleasing appearance. Seduction, quite simply is easier to achieve with a good physique, it gives you a head start, and with hard work and determination a healthier physique is available to all but the least fortunate of us.

Thanks for the clarification, that makes more sense what you are saying now. In the situation you've described it'll give you an advantage. The playing field isn't always so level though.
In some other cultures as well, being fat is considered to be a healthier physique.

I don't know if being healthier is the one with the most effect, but I think it is definitely a doorway to improving the other attractive attributes about yourself, such as confidence, personality, success at work, etc.
I don't think that its possible to pidgeon hole the effect of each attribute of attraction in such a way.

Of course you are correct, Fat guys are indeed considered attractive in some cultures, and it isn't possible to isolate all traits in the way I perhaps did.

I do not mean to say that physical imperfection will render anyone completely unable to attract women, only that it will hinder a seduction, forcing the player to overcome certain immediate, unavoidable and negative preconceptions that the target will naturally harbour. The further away a player is from a percieved genetic ideal, the wider the gulf that needs to be crossed.

But I suppose, that is what this game is all about.

peace

where did mystery and style's muscles go then, or russell brands?