After heading out Friday night in Bristol, (for those of you interested in reading how the Bristol crew is developing go to Jolly good show!) one of the guys suggested the above topic.

I'm not going to name any names, but the guy I was talking with (admittedly we were both pissed after a night out) seemed abit disillusioned and was clearly unhappy with his performance despite me being impressed with what i'd seen and the potential within him.

Anyway from what I can gather (forgive me like I mentioned, we were talking at around 4.00am both quite drunk) he was suggesting that your game is irrelevant, there is only a natural order to things. I.e. if you are not genetically fortunate physically then girls naturally will not be attracted to you.

I personally do not agree with this, I think this is a victim mentality. If you have not been dealt a decent hand in the 'looks' department what are you supposed to do??.... Roll over and die?! FUCK THAT!!

I don't dispute that if you are a good-looking guy it gives you an edge, abit of a head start (remember though at school it was always the kids shit at sport given a head-start in a race??) but to say it's only the good-looking guys or guys with lots of £££ in their bank accounts get the best girls is madness!

I've heard time and time again by women that they always find attractive men to be boring (usually due to getting by on looks alone and so not having to develop a personality) and so they are generally not interested in them. This is an unhealthy perception to hold in itself, but a contrary belief to the topic of discussion.

So I thought i'd throw it out there into the forum for you guys to discuss, do you think there is a natural order to pick-up/attraction?? or is this purely an ignorant reality conjured up through social conditioning??

sorry for my spelling but I cannot find my polish- anglish dictonary today.

moste famos PUA- Neil Strauss describe himselv as non atractive . and well to be honyst he is not a very "good looking boy ".

but it is not a big deal as far as you know where and with whom you gaming.

for example (it is my opinion) ,if you are in very loud club , all you can do is dancefloor game .

if there is no chance for conversation, how you want to stand out ?

you are the same as everybody else in this place . and only one thing you have, to comunicate with outside world is your body and how you looks like.

if you are ugly 33 years old man like me i would rather go to difriend club or seriusly day- gaming .

I've been both fortunate and unfortunate enough to have spent quite a bit of time in my life around gangsters. Not henchmen, though I've met plenty of them too, I'm talking about the top boys people on the police's most wanted list. I learnt a great deal about many things from them. Most of which is not appropriate for publication here. One of the most valuable things I did learn from them is that your physical appearance (and that's everything; your face, your build, your style and even any physical disabilities) doesn't mean a thing. It's absolute zero.

These are guys who whenever they are with you you know everything is gonna be just fine. Any kind of fucked up shit can occur and you won't even have to give it a second's attention, the big man will deal with it. And, they have hot girls sniffing around them all the time.

Some of these guys are ugly, skinny, short, fat, have speech impediments, no teeth, have difficulty walking etc. and still no-one fucks with them and they get mad pussy.

A lot of the time they are known. Their reputation precedes them. However, I've been tons of places with them where they know nobody and, more importantly, nobody knows them.

Here's a fact: Whether they are with their people or surrounded by strangers they behave exactly the same and they get treated exactly the same.

They carry an air of expectation. They expect people to behave subordinately to them, they expect people to qualify themselves to them, they expect girls to go all ga-ga around them and so that is what happens. In their minds they are the coolest badest mutha fucka alive. They believe this so deeply that it emanates from every thing they say, every gesture they make. It seems to glow from every cell of their body.

With this level of belief other people's realities bend and warp to accomodate their's. It's a revelation to observe.

Looks mean shit, if you think they do, realise that this is your own limiting belief and an easy excuse to hide behind.


If you want to develop the intensely dominant level of reality these guys have, depending on your starting point, it will take a long time and an incredible amount of hard work on yourself. It can be done.

It's forging on through these kinds of things or not, that will determine who you are as a man and what you will get out of life. This is some real 'sort the men from the boys' shit here.

This shit is not for the day-trippers and pussy-chasers.


Peace,

kowalski

This has been discussed before:
Good Looks

Yeah, but it didn't have my awesome input last time.


Peace,

kowalski

the way I look at it is.....

If you are good looking, you get more positive indicators of interest and dont have to approach in the dark, so to speak

If you average looking, you have to work harder to gain interest and have to have more "game" to approach the sets and make an impression that will spark interest

I have a mate, that tbh is a good looking guy, I have been out with him on a numerous of nights and he never approaches women, they seem to approach him. Does he have game......no, he relys on looks

The whole thing about being a PUA is CHOICE! Its being able to choose your women and not settling for what you can get/ what approaches you. Good looking guys dont choose they settle. Look at Brad from The pick up artist, good looking guy, and had a few gf.......but had no game!

and for those of you that dont want to spent " long time and an incredible amount of hard work on yourself " I have an idea :just be a gangster

Pavel,

Most of the guys I'm talking about are ugly as fuck and girls flock to them, these guys don't need to approach at all.


Peace,

kowalski

imo that something entirely different......to me that's in the same category as celebrity's and wealthy men. These guys need very little game as they have power, authority and exclusivity.

Story: I am at bangor uni and here we have an okay rugby team, now to get into this rugby team involves you having to go through an initiation which involves things like swallowing a live gold fish or having lemon and chill in your eyes whilst being stripped naked in from of everyone. From this you get a rugby team tie, now girls flock for these guys, alot of these guys arent good looking and most of them fat however they get some really fit girls, why? they have the tie which is exclusive!

Peace

NO.FX

Well done for reading the whole thread Not Tom.

These guys do not wear ties with 'gangsta' written on them. As stated above, they have people treating them like they are The Man whether we go somewhere where everybody knows them or somewhere where nobody knows them.


Peace,

kowalski