No way! Everyone should set there sites high. I've not had a chance to check the link as I'm at work, but absolute respect to anyone punching above their weight and pushing their standards if this is the case. Plus Adrian is a dude.

fair play to the guy if he boffed her he's a pretty ugly guy so he must have some game to get somewhere with her

Hustler?! Was that meant to be a joke?

Also, this girl is not even hot. She's got a good body but her face is all mis-shapen because it's got about 3 humans worth of teeth crammed into her equine mouth.


Peace,

kowalski

i agree..... hustler WHAT THE FUCK ARE U PLAYING AT?

It's understandable that i'm taking abit of flak for my comments there. I maybe feeling abit disillusioned here and I'm more than happy to be enlightened but I think looks do matter to a woman at some level and they matter more than we would like to think they do. Now before you all start throwing examples of not so attractive men seducing hot women I understand that that happens and it's great that things like that do happen.

Last night I was watching 'The one show' as it happened to be on in the background of my local pub. I got talking to the barmaid and her friend about this episode with Adrian Chiles, Christine and Frank Lampard. Neither of them had any sympathy for Chiles, they both said Christine had done well to get with Frank Lampard as he was more 'Fit'...nothing to do with his money or status they said. I said, 'Yeah well, Chiles is much more charasmatic than Lampard, i'm sure he's much more interesting to be around don't you think?'. They said that was all very well but they'd personally rate looks over personality and charisma. It was concluded that an unattractive guy with bags of charisma, personality and 'game' is better than an attractive guy with no charisma, no personality and little game but not as ideal as an attractive guy who also possesses average 'game' and charisma.

Obviously that doesn't mean all girls think like that, that's just two girls. Thankfully not all of them think in this way. However if you've ever been around girls when they're talking about a guy one of them has just met it's not uncommon for one of the first things they ask about him to be 'Is he fit?' the same way us guys do.

I remember reading an article linked on this forum regarding 'looks' and I'm pretty sure Jaz posted regarding this subject before. Anyway this article was suggesting that realistically a guy can score upto two 'Points' above him, therefore if a guy is percieved to be a 4 he can probably get 6s, a guy who's an 8 can probably score 10s etc. I don't like the whole point scoring analogy and I find the term 'HB' tacky (and guys come on, a HB6 and below is not a 'Hot Babe') but I think there's an element of truth in that.

I think we can all agree that alot of women are receptive to 'alpha behaviour', a guy who lacks in his physical appearance yet possesses good alpha traits will reap rewards. The same way a good looking guy with good 'health indicators' (symmetrical face, good physique) will flip similar attraction switches in women. Women respond to many different things as we know but 'health indicators' and 'Alpha behaviour' are two things that bring 'mates' together in the Animal Kingdom and this is really no different between humans.

If you look at many couples you will notice many of them are about as attractive as each other, alot of humans respond to people of similar physical appearance when it comes to looks. I'm not saying this is completely gospel but this sort of thing has been widely talked about in the scientific world and you can't really deny that this happens.

Back to Chiles, his problem was that he probably didn't possess the 'Alpha traits' to land someone like Christine, he probably tried to get in through the back door by treating her in a friend-like manner and so when he eventually tried to make a move he got the LJBF speech. So my reason for saying 'He should probably aim abit lower' is that at this moment in time he probably doesn't have an alpha attitude to compliment the other great qualities that he has.

As K says he's only just come out of a long term relationship so he's out of practice I guess when it comes to wooing the ladies. So my advice to him would be, aim a little lower for now son, get some successes under your belt and then let that new found growing confidence carry you through to bigger successes. That's all I was really getting at.

Why do you think they happen? It can happen, so let's all make it happen. Strength of reality is waaaay more important than a good looking guy. I know plenty of good looking guys that are crap at getting with girls. Is this not evidence that looks on a guy are a waste of time?

What does the word 'fit' mean to girls Hustler? Does it have the same connotations? I don't think so. Girls in general are not as shallow as us. Our instant attraction is 'hot babe', a girl's attraction changes like the British weather. They respond to behaviour. If a guy is initially attractive to a girl and he starts doubting himself, she'll soon loose attraction for him.


Are these couples in the media? Think about what YOU want, not what other people can or do get. Your reality is critical to your success. I also think this concept of similar good/ugly looking couples relates directly to the disillusioned male of today. He thinks he does not deserve a certain type of girl purely because is not attractive on the surface. I actually feel sorry for good looking guys now as I see they may have to work hard to get people to take them seriously as a MAN.

Be a man, not a model.

Hustler, some very valid points mate. Don't think you deserved such a bashing for them!

This is a discussion, not a bashing Tw1sted. Telling someone to set their sights lower is not acceptable advice. Saying a guy is too ugly for a pretty girl is a nonsense. This is all very defeatist for guys who are trying to push the boundaries of modern society's default position, and accepting what popular culture dictates to us through it's agressive 'quick fix' marketing.

We get sold the handsome man as 'the norm' that we should all live up to if we are to get the girl, when in practice we all follow the man with the strongest sense of belief and reality. We also get sold the 'new woman' who has power. Does she really want this position, or does she want the man to be THE MAN? Unfortunately too many men, my friends included sell out to this bullsh*t and let girls control their lives as they simply do not believe they can do any better. All because they're standards are set so low.

Just re-read Kowalski's post in this thread The Natural order of things...

I feel alot better about it now.

Although from my own personal stand-point i'd consider myself at the moment about a '7' as a whole package including looks/personality. I will struggle and I do often struggle to hit it off with those 9s and 10s. However i'm quite happy to be getting more successes with girls at a similar attractive level to me 7s and 8s.

Say if a guy is a 4, don't you think its better for him to be reaping more successes with girls around the same physical attraction level to him say pushing upto 7s rather than constantly chasing the tail of 9s and 10s and being less successful?

If the guy has the looks of a 4 you mean? This is still selling out to the ideal of the handsome man. If the guy feels and acts like a 8 then he'll be an 8. The girl won't be able to resist the behaviours of an 8 over a handsome 4.