Guys, was out sarging last night and something occurred to me about my behaviour when I open sets and I wanted to run this by you.

I basically opened nothing for most of the evening, but my wing had to disappear for half an hour during the night out (work stuff). The bar we were in was closing and so I went off to another bar with him coming to join me when he'd finished.

In this bar I opened 3 mixed sets before he arrived.

The same has happened other nights too, my wings often never see my approaches. It's like I'm the phantom opener or something.

What I want to do is work out what is stopping me approaching openly when I'm out with wings.I can feel my energy lowering the group as I literally open fuck all when out with wings.
But on my own, opening machine Wtf?!

Has anyone else experienced something similar?

Scamp

I believe I have but often it can be totally the opposite sometimes, like I may open more in front of newbies! I think what it comes down to is the fact you feel you have to qualify yourself to other PUAs! That can put immense pressure on you because if they are better you will seem lame if either you don't open or you open and get blown out. But you know what you have to start living in your own reality, don't worry if you open when they are not around, you can do it.

When you're with your wings you can get distracted but on your own there are less excuses. YOu say you can feel your own energy lowering the group? Think about it, thtas putting pressure on you, hence the AA! I guess on your own you are less in your head but yyou feel this need to qualify yourself to your wings! Would you have to do this with your friends? If they are good friends they won't care! HOw about just spending some quality time with them doing non gamey stuff?

Funny you should say that Tony. i went out with my wing and two of his mates last night and it was a "Bonus" night.

By that I mean I was in my local village pub and wasn't expecting to go sarging.

So when I arrived in town I was in a social vibe, just really enjoyed myself and opened 5 or 6 sets!

It really is "All in your head" isn't it?

Still buzzing!

I was having a pint and a chat with one of the Liverpool guys last night, where we said that this exact thing is important. We both felt a little uneasy at the fact that, sometimes, you meet your wings for a few hours a week to open sets and then you go your separate ways.

Just getting to know your wings can be extremely useful, and will change the whole feel of your nights out.

Yeh i was a similar the first couple of times i went out with some of the lads from the forum.
I had huge AA and the only sets i opened was when the lads made me go over, and they were horrible because I was feeling so nervous. But when im out with my mates I wouldn't have any problem tryna chat up girls.

I think for me the problem was feeling like I had to open sets rather than I wanted to. I also thought that I wasn't as good as them at pick up, and this made me go inside my head kind off.

But, after going out with the same guys a few times this problem seemed to sort itself out.

You know if you try to live up to other people's expectations, you will always come up short! Just run your own game, good or bad because they were once where you are now. I remember I was doing ok before I met up with these wings I used to hang out with then one of them, really skilled guy said "you didn;t really open" because I had just approached and said something brief. Maybe he thought he was helping but it reallly hurt my game because my state suffered. But on the other side of this, your state should be self generating!

There will always be people more skilled at certain things than you but doesn;t mean to say you should give up! You only fail when you give up!

Yeah, I think for me at first it was a bit artificial.

But am really starting to get into it now, realising that going out with Wings is actally really liberating because they don't get pissed off with you for checking out and approaching girls.

Will FR some stuff soon. Feel my game has turned a corner recently, spent ages not getting anywhere and suddenly...

tc
Scamp

you wings can fuck you up as much as they can help you out...

the minute wings start making think "shit ive got aa" or "shit ive not in state" the more you will make sure myself believe it...

one of the things that was helped my group is we go out as friends first pua's second...

we also once we walk in the bar or club taking about game is banned !!!!!

get your group togther, sit down and get rules, and more importantly.... enjoy it!!!