I've read a lot of reports lately about people going out, then opening 10 sets or 20 sets and patting themselves on the back...

How many of these sets do you close? How often do you go for the close? Why are you ejecting out of 20 sets a night.

My last night spent sarging, I opened 2 sets, and spent about 2 hours or so with both sets having a blast all night.

Try to stay in set longer guys, stay till you're so uncomfortable that your balls are running away in terror. Opening sets is child's play and it's so easy to just get stuck doing that over and over as it's gratifying to actually overcome your AA and do it.

Once you're AA is under control, every set you open should be an attempted close. Handling rejection is an important part of getting good at this, so you need to put yourself out there and risk it

-Loke

Not sure I agree partner.

I think opening multiple sets without hanging around till your banter goes stale isn't a skill to be sniffed at. Ejecting yourself while they're all still hanging, rather than hanging around long enough to fall into the friend or creep zones...

I think it's about opening up another set some place the first set can see.

Since sets don't exist in isolation. Open one, hook their interest then eject yourself before they have the chance to grow weary or question your intentions, but then instantly open another, then repeat and rinse. Eventually women from different sets will come forward and start to compete with each other for your attention and affection. Because it'll be something that isn't given up easily and is visiably in now in demand. Women want what other women want.

If you plant your ass in one set for two hours, you're making your bed and you'll have to lie in it (or go home dick in hand). They might be getting off on your validation for 2hours, but what on earth have they done to deserve 2 hours of free entertainment and flirting? Make them earn it I say! Otherwise if after 2 hours they bugger off for any reason at all you re left hanging. That's less likely to happen if you have another 6 irons in the fire all in close proxity, that you are bouncing between.

When you're first starting out its important to get open as much as possible to build up the muscle memory of actually approaching as well as getting positive feedback. The reality is that some girls can be really bitchy and are really skilled at shutting you down. Was out saturday night opened a 3 set on he balcony of this club in teh smoking area. I opened with an opener I had just made up. They were all smoking and deep in conversation but for fuck sake don;t ever let that stop you guys from approaching women. Anyway the leader/mother hen tells me she likes my hair and then asks me to leave because they were having a private conversation.

Me: "hey guys, quick question, how easy is it to give up smoking?"
Motherhen: "I like your hair"
Me: "Oh thanks, just had it cut"
Mother hen: "You should go to the same place all the time"
Me: "Maybe I will"
Motherhen: "ok so where did you come from?"
Me: "well there was this lamp and someone rubbed it, and out i came" hehe
Her: "thats not what I mean"
Me: Ok i was over there"
Her: "Well I suggest you go back there then because we were trying to have a private conversation"
Me: "well now we all having a conversation"
I tried to plow on but this girl was obvious used to this and simply carried on talking to her friends. I was so pissed off I felt like doing something! Even if i had to act like a dick and just stand there in silence creeping them out or ruining their night because I thought it was out of order! I am sure there are loads of solutions but plowing would not have worked and it would only have killed my state. But next time i shoudl either work on calibrating or not taking shit but this goes to show that plowing does not always work.

Not being one to give up I opened a 4 set downstairs by the bar because I coudl have sworn they were all checking me out. Infact I mentioned this but they denied it hehe! I did my best to get something going but I was realy struggling.

The only way to improve, to grow is to go through the pain barrier and try staying longer in set. Its like with muscle building, growth comes from squeezing out that last rep you can hardly lift and pushing, pushing until you feel the burn in your muscles and you're going red!

Other times though it can be better to simply leave them better than you found them. ON the same night I did some solo, opened a 2 set briefly at the bar and they brought me a drink. 5 minute interaction, some banter and bumped into them later at another bar where I introduced them to my wings.

Good post Loke!

I would have struggled for something to say in that situation - if that ever happens again I'd just say 'nice to meet you' and eject whilst maintaining a smile on your face. Their loss if they want to be anti-social!

Look at her friend in shock.

"Is she always this rude?"

Tell her straight to the face with a cheeky smile:
"Didn't your mother teach you manners?"

She might genuinely wanted a private conversation, but most likely she just wanted to get rid of yet another guy hitting on her and her friends.

Loke, I don't agree mate with your devil's advocate stance on this. There are too many grey areas as each pick-up set and circumstance is uniquely different. Therefore, I don't think it appropriate for every guy's goal being to exclusively pursue either of these extremes:


No, no... no, no, no, no... no, no, no ,no... no, no, there's no limit!

Being socially awesome means additionally opening people (less attractive girls and guys too) who funnily enough you have no intention of shagging, kissing or dating but who you wish to involve in your fun night out.

Secondly, on some occasions I have opened visually "hot" girls whom I *did* target for sexy times, but after some basic chat were so removed from what I look for in their personality that *I* chose to eject from the set, i.e. I rejected them.

Both of the above are good form (in my view) and both violates your "every set you open should be an attempted close" principle.

Third point is - I often bounce girls. What I mean is, open them, chat, and for whatever reason I chose to head off - e.g. I'm off to toilet/bar/RV-with-mates-inside and don't wanna stop long. I choose to do this 'bounce' when appropriate by reading the situation. I leave on a high after brief interaction and bump into them again in the club later that night out, reopen them, and ALMOST EVERY TIME the vibe they give is a positive one of "you again" / "hey it's you!" / "did you find your friend" / etc and I didn't seem desperate with them earlier because it was me who ended it and left the set on a high. Now, having bumped into each other again, I spend longer with them and try to close my target if I like her.

This is true but they were in a club, not starbucks! In my opinion if women want to have a private conversation they shoudl do it somewhere private. You think they'd give Brad Pitt this shit? Next time I will try and stay in even longer.

Both of thos comments are good but I suspect they would not have worked. But I think what I could have done was chatted to her friends or even said to her as Iw as leaving "when you're ready to apologise I will be over there"

Obviously I was hitting on her, this is what guys do in clubs! It really annoyed me to the point where I was considering becoming a right dick! but this would have 'lowered my value' lol

id say ur wrong, if u dont venture past this into the unknown, you will only ever get experience in the parts u already know.

to succeed u must learn to fail!!! unless u fluke... which is a fluke

Do you know what I try to do when girls do that to me. I grab another set right in front of them and start having fun.

Words are words... And a girl doesn't usually give a shit what you say to them after they've rejected you... But seeing you have fun with another couple if girls right in front of them after they've rejected you... Now that shits effective!

I have nothing of value to add other than to say that I am loving this thread - all newbies should be reading this right now - great responses.

Much love,

Craigus