Right now im in Vienna. Started talking with this girl who is also staying in the same hotel with me. We spent some time together talking. Every thing was going smoothly. Told her we are going back to my room. We talk for a bit and then start making out(which i initialise) at first she wasn't very reciprocative, she said " I don't know you that well". But i took it as a token resistance and carried on with some interaction in between. She start kissing and saying " I like you but im not gonna have sex with you tonight". I got lot of LMR and the farthest i went was to start fingering her, but that's it. It didn't go very far at all. she stayed in my room for more than 2 hours but i can't break her LMR.

Im pretty sure all of you have experience LMR before but what im trying to understand here is after giving so many IOI's(i know they count for nothing as i cold approach this girl) and having a interaction so smoothly where did i go wrong?

I just want another perception to understand LMR.

the reason u get LMR is this:

There is a general rule to how men & women play dates.

The woman holds the key to the sex

the man wants that key

man chases key

woman protects key!

so because you are after something, and its all hush hush, the woman will do her utmost to keep it from you. Because essentially, if you have sex... she is a slag coz she has put out without the idea being put forward... its like a game U WIN SHE LOSES!!!


so... i went to some womans the other day. she knew what i was goin for, when i started escalating she said, ur gettin carried away... so i said, ah ok, im gonna phone a taxi. She knows what i was there for.

she been textin me askin if i wanna go round wen the kids are out & she will wear her heels for me BLAH BLAH! because im not that desperate that if she pulls the plug I basically beg for her to reconsider.

I speak to a woman even on a first date like we are already having sex, like its a forgone conclusion...coz thats what men & women do.

therefore she knows what im about, and if she holds out... then im too busy to be layin 12 year old games, "ok lets carry this on another time, im not doin backwards & forwards MAYBE SEX"

to be fair, thats the first time in years thats happened, and she is 37, i dunno what her game is i think she is tryin to be in control, she clearly doesnt know me, i have no desire to be subjugated by sex.

so in conclusion, you avoid LMR by makeing it so there is no resistance, theres nothin to resist, its sex, u both know ur doin it! and if she is resisting just say,

ok dont take this the wrong way, but can we take a rain check untill next time coz i really dont wanna be havin sex untill we are both ready and your clearly not

then leave. u dont need sex that min, its not a sprint! then get up and leave, U FROM THAT MOMENT ON ARE THE BOSS!!! END OF

what Phil said, especially the word "subjugated"!

Were you holding hands and touching a lot before you went back to your room?
Only I used to get the same sort of thing and it was because if you don't have the comfort of kino and the sexual tension inherent with it. It's just weird when you move in for the kill the moment you're both alone yet you lack the comfort of prolonged contact...

"I like you but im not gonna have sex with you tonight"

"good i prefer blow jobs"

She properly really likes you, the more a woman sees you as relationship material the longer she will want to hold out for sex. Make her feel as though your both connected on a different level to everyone else, and speak how life so short and shit.... yadda yadda yaddda.

I believe this type of thing you can only learn from experience, just keep experimenting with different tactics and hopefully your brain is capable of capitalizing on the effective ones.

AJay

So lead a girl into believing you want a relationship with her or there's a chance of one? OP, unless you are lacking a conscience you have to be upfront about it being just about sex like Phil said to stop people getting mixed messages and wasting everyone's time

However if you create enough rapport, are fun and whisk her up in excitement, sexual tension and fun she will have sex with you. Flirt, don't be too heavy, be touchy and like Phil said tell her what you want (in a fun way)

Not at all daleinthedark, i believe in being totally up front and honest with woman. I can see how you may have interpreted my post, however this is a false assumtion.

AJay

Yes there was lot of touching going on, saying that all touching was as a part of a routine or just normal teasing each other. We weren't holding hands though. As it was suppose to be a one night stand i think there is no scope for any further relationship, although we both have pretty much same travel plans and will be travelling same cities in next few days. She checked out early in the morning before me.

One of the many paradox's of dealing with women is that they are much more likely to have sex with you if they sense you can take it leave it. At the hight of the heavy petting situation you should have broke it off and said "well I guess you should get some sleep as your leaving early tomorrow" or whatever. If she actually did that then you havnt lost anything as she wasnt up for it anyway.

I went out with a girl the other day. She came over to mine and we kissed, talked, drank and kissed some more. I called the cab and we hit town together. Came back to mine and made love, no LMR. We both knew what we wanted even before the date. She said to me after "I wanted you even before we went out".

Don't make a big deal of it. If she wanted sex, she wanted sex, end of. If she didnt, she didnt. Clearly she didnt want to have sex that night. Dont overanalyse it. Maybe another day, another night!

are you str8 from a disney movie

i didnt realise people still called it that... and i tell u somethin

what i do ISNT MAKIN LOVE