Here are the Speed Seducer Rules. I have them on flash cards and just thought I'd share them in case someone never knew about them. I've added a few extra notes myself (as seen in italic).

Speed Seducer Rule 1.
Always communicate with an outcome in mind!
When you talk to a woman don't do it to be flapping your lips! Think of the states you want her in then use your skills to direct her to them!

Example states could be; Flirtatious, Interested, Curious, Fun, Emotional, Logical, Creative, Physical, Happy, etc.

Speed Seducer Rule 2.
The purpose of your communication is to get you a result!
The purpose of your communication is not to give her an understanding. The purpose of your communication is to get you a result! Speed seduction works by manipulating and directing unconscious processes not by getting her conscious agreement. Leave arguing to her buddies.

Example results could be; Number close, bounce to another location, bounce to another venue, kiss close, fuck close, etc.

Speed Seducer Rule 3.
Speed seducing is fun!
The best magic is playfully done! If you aren't having fun with it, it isn't speed seduction!

Examples of fun; Being self amusing, being social, learning from the target, learning from practise, realising what works for you, realising what doesn't, overcoming sticking points, finding sticking points to overcome, etc.

Speed Seducer Rule 4.
Keep your skills a secret!
Speed seducing works because it is hidden and undetectable. True at very advanced levels you can tell them what you're doing and it will still work, but why give them the chance? Your aim is to get a result, not impress with what you know.

Very clear advice. Although some PUAs might want to talk about what they're doing to keep focused, it's prolly better to get involved in the interaction and stay 'out of your head'. Enjoy the sarge.

Speed Seducer Rule 5.
Be a stainless steel fist in a velvet glove!
Always be as low key as possible in application of your skills. Not "ha - ha I'm doing this thing to you" but "isn't it interesting how the mind works?" Soften, soften, and soften some more.

This is about how you frame what you're saying/doing with the target. Women naturally have good intuitions about men and know when men are trying to manipulate women. Its better to give off a good vibe than to be an ass about it. Just imagine an ugly trying to manipulate you into bed and you'll get the point.

Speed Seducer Rule 6.
Always go from least intrusive to most intrusive.
Don't start right off moving women's internal pictures! Do it only after first juicing them up with language patterns and/or anchoring.

Start with the basics then transition into the more complicated stuff. Allow a women to become receptive to your game.

Speed Seducer Rule 7.
Don't resist what she offers... turn it around and use it as leverage.
Always use what's there - if she resists you by saying "I'm not ready" don't ask why! Find out "how" she makes herself not ready and disrupt and interrupt it so you can then lead her back to where you want her to be.

This is about being under the radar and taking control skilfully rather than bashfully. Dominate by means of seduction and not by being a chode.

Speed Seducer Rule 8.
Challenge is where the fun is!
What doesn't or isn't working is the doorway to new fun and power. Speed seduction grew out of things not working forcing me to look for what did.

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger. Take every interaction as something to learn from. We naturally learn from our mistakes.

Speed Seducer Rule 9.
TONALITY IS EVERYTHING.
Your tone of voice (inner and outer) must match your words! If you use a high, squeaky, irritating voice when you say "life's pleasures" you'll just piss her off! Learn to control your voice tone!

Voice tone is one of the simple, most fundamental tools a PUA uses to make things progress. Practise by speaking out loud in your own private time, record your voice and pick out what doesn't aid you in PU, it's all about putting conviction into what you say, expression is key.

Speed Seducer Rule 10.
You can't get her in her state unless you first get you in your state.
Speed Seduction depends on you first being rooted in a powerful, alive, upbeat, confident state. Work on your affirmations, visualization homework & breathing exercises to insure you'll be where you need to be to put her where she needs to be.

If your in a low state you need to get you into the state described in this rule. Get up breath deeply, activate your body physically, get yourself in the right mood before you go to sarge. Music could help here, it's all about your attitude.

Speed Seducer Rule 11.
Train 'em and Tame 'em.
If it's only for the short term, then training them (getting them hot for you when you want them to be) is enough. Long term you want them tamed - thinking of you in longing lustful ways even when you aren't there!

Once you make a target's BT spike you need to remember how to do it over and over again. You can do this by either using anchors or using a post hypnotic suggestion. To tame a target is to be the dominant man in her life. Pretty much common sense.

I hope these serve some use to you.
If you have anything to add or to ask any questions then please do so. I still have a lot to learn myself so that is why I posted this.

The first two rules talk about having purpose and outcome, and manipulating and directing with those in mind. Which already sounds wrong.

Then the third and fourth talk about having fun, being social and out of your head.

You can't do one and two whilst simultaneously doing three and four.

The fourth and fifth rules talk about being secretive and hiding your intentions and methods which is an admission that this is a bit wrong otherwise what would be the problem. If you feel it is right to hide something, you recognise the shame in it.

Rule six says 'Don't start right off moving women's internal pictures'. Why move them at all? Leave people's internal pictures where they are. They have not given you permission to start fucking with how their mind is organised so show a little respect and stay out till invited in.

Rule seven says use her resistance as leverage, disrupt and interrupt it. Or respect it and move at her pace not yours her resistance will pass when she chooses not when you force it (no means no and all that). Then there's more talk of being secretive 'under the radar'. Why do the military fly under the radar? To spring surprise attacks. What next suprise sex?

Rule eight challenge is fun. Agreed. There ... it's not all bad.

Rule nine 'tonality is everything'. It's really not that important for a PUA. Ever heard Style's and Tyler's annoying voices? They do pretty well despite it. Maybe it is important for speed seduction but that is not all of PU. There are non-weird ways of pulling girls too.

Rule ten control of your own state. Feel free to do whatever you want to your own state after all you have given yourself permission to do so. There's no point going out to have fun if you're not open to fun. Getting into a good state with the goal of manipulating her state though is a bit contrived. Get into a good state for yourself. This whole PU thing should be about you not her.

Rule eleven taming and training girls. Seriously!? They're not beasts or slaves. They're real people. Respect them. Why would you want a tamed and trained girl to use as your plaything? We want girls to choose us that is what really appeals to us at a fundamental level. Wanting people we can control and manipulate and instruct smacks of a hunger for power which is ugly. Anyone who wants power shouldn't be allowed to have it.


This stuff is creepy, controlling, shamefull and the desire to do it points towards personal issues. People should be working on themselves not other people. Self-improvement not control and manipulation of others. Actually become a cool, sexy man and people will associate those qualities with you rather than tricking people into associating those things with you even though you don't have them. Spend the time becoming awesome not learning to manipulate.


I feel the need to caveat this as you are new. I am not the whole forum. Not everyone here will necessarilly agree with me. However, the arguments I have laid out speak for themselves. Much of what I have put forward is outside the scope of opinion and exists in the world of fact.

Similarly some people are of the opinion that the world is only 7,000 years old. Well this is something else that is outside of the scope of opinion. It is significantly older. That is a fact.

Where we have facts there is no room left for opinion.


Peace,

kowalski

I don't think rule 1 is that bad I think it can be taken as show her you are interested which naturally you will be, so I think you can fit it in with 3.

But rule 1 conflicts with rule 5, show you are interested but secretly!?

sorry op but i could not be bothered to read your post. instead i just read kowalskis, which made me happy i didn't waste any time reading your op

Adam you are a comedy genius. Do you even recognise how fucking hillarious you are?

I love you x

Don't go changing.


Peace,

kowalski

@kowalski... So do you think Ross Jeffries has personal issues?

I think it's only manipulative if you have bad intentions. That's my viewpoint.

Interesting... Haven't seen anything on the speed seduction stuff before, not the approach I'd choose, it does seem a bit underhand for my tastes - however some good points to take away and well written

On the subject of tonality - I think it's massively important, (apparently) over 50% all communication is bodylanguage, over 20% voice tone and about 7% what we actually say

Nonverbal communication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Being relaxed, good posture, facial animation - being in a good "state" is often described as the key factor (learnt from experience and effective modeling) which seperates a natural from a wannabe - these guys just naturally subcommunicate their alpha qualities, unphased by beauty, strong realities, get get their needs met etc...

From personal experience working on my voice tone, well lets just say that David Shade is a leg..end - effective use of voice tone communicates sooooo much, especially when escalating and things are getting hot and steamy - get your voice so it vibrates deeply and resonating haha powerful stuff!

Also from a public speaking standpoint, or opening a group - comfort...tone, speed etc... makes us more interesting to listen too!

Likewise from going dancing, working on posture (loosening up, standing tall) and doing Rob's special stretches Code Of The Natural - Attraction Body Language
has helped my game massively by improving what I subcommunicate!!

The reason some guys (naturals - experienced PUA's) can say anything - and it just works?!?! is due I believe to what they sub communicate - including tonality, facial expressions, body language etc... (PUA has internalised routines, experience etc..)

So beyond improving our life, activities, goals, dreams, hobbies and ultimatley ourselves... Maybe we should work first and foremost on body language...then voice tone... then "pickup lines" ?

Hows that for devils advocate

the 1st rule of fight club is "you don't talk about fight club"

sorry guys.. couldn't help it

I'm not sure about that 7% stat I'd like to know where it comes from as it gets thrown about a lot.

I think if you have it all together in your head then you will appear cool and calm, because you are!

Working on posture, tone etc does help but don't concentrate on it too much or you'll be in your head too much.

I've read a lot on that Tom and it is not what it is presented to be. The actual experiment is not analogous to real life communication.

Google Mehrabian myth for detail.


Peace,

kowalski