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Default Daygame tips and techniques: Knowledge from my teachers! Part 1 - 17-10-2010, 08:39 PM

I have been doing Daygame now for 4 years with mixed success. Most of the girls I have day 2ed have been from Bookshops, a personal favourite for me as most booksshops contain coffee shops so if you get them on an instant date you don;t need to go too far.

I have done some one on ones with some awesome coaches in London as well as some free bootcamps where there would be a around 50/60 guys. This was mostly daygame but would often continue in the evening too.

STATE BUILDING EXERCISES:

Something we did on the last bootcamp was partner up and just laugh at each other. Remember they say laughter is the best medicine, even just smiling can alter your mood. Also making crazy animal impressions can help unstifle you. Its scary at first but can really help your approach Anxiety

Music - Listen to some motivating music,e.g Rocky, Chariots of fire etc

Exercise - Research has shown that exercise can release endorphins, thus producing a natural high.

Meditation - Helps get you outside your head, focus, better concentration, quieting and calming your mind. Also look up anything to do with Walking Meditation.

Past Glories - list your best 5 approaches, 5 happy memories and refer to them whenever you're having a bad time.


APPROACHING

Easy said than done but don't be outcome dependant. Approach anyone and everyone regardless whether she is attractive or not, male or female. A lot of guys make excuses "Oh she's not my type" or "ewww she's horrible/old etc"
THe important thing to remember is, its a warm up, it doesn;t matter. If you can't approach a less attractive or older woman then what chance have you of approaching someone you actually like?

Openers - There are all kinds of openers, Direct, Indirect, Observational, Opinion, information gathering, and cocky funny. No need to go into detail here as you should all know about these.

When first starting out, don;t worry about trying to come up with the best or wittiest opener. It is better to say any lame shit then miss an opportunity for the sake of making an impression. The opener is just to open, when you have a good conversation going she will forget how you started talking to her. I have often opened with lame crappy stuff that you woudl probably think could never work but just kept it going long enough to build enough comfort to number close.

You should experiment with all kinds of opener and discover for yourselves which you feel work best. But more important is your non verbals because you could use the best line/opener ever but if you have poor body language it won;t get you very far which leads us on to...


BODY LANGUAGE

I used to be painfully shy, had the most terrible body language, nervous fidgety, still am to a lesser extent but from reading a lot of self help books, seeing a Hypnotherapist as well as modelling my behvaviour on role models (James Bond lol) my body language has improved tremendously.

Some important points to remember is, always keep your back straight and allow your arms to swing naturally by your sides. Don't slouch! Always maintain eye contact when talking but don't stare! If you find making eye contact hard try looking at the spot between the other person's eyes.

Think of someone you admire, a film star, a person from History or a friend. Look at their body language, how they talk and adapt that to your body language. Remember communication is about 90% non verbal so get this right and what you actually say doesn't matter.

TALKING

In the daytime you don;t have to be a dancing monkey but some energy is good. It is also important to be loud enough to be heard as well as slowing down your speech. Nervous people talk quietly and fast so slow your speech down. Talk slowly to a hot girl about anything and this is actually where your value is coming from because she cannot believe that you are this calm talking to her!

Leave some pauses to enthasise things especially if you're going Direct. I often pause if a girl distracted as it reels her back in. Use some hand gestures to make points but don't go over the top.

Tactics to help your approaches:

It cna be very nerve wracking when you want to approach women. You don;t know how they will react, whether they will reject you, you may go blank.

1. The Almost Approach - This is something my coach had me do. Basically you go approach as if you are about to approach but you deliberately stop short. This gets you in the habit of getting within talking range and helps commit you to the act of actually approaching.

2. Warm up, don't worry about failing. Defeat is a good teacher and nothign to be ashamed of. Don't worry about the quality, just ask for directions or anything that comes to mind. From there you can use your observation to keep the interaction going. Does she have an accent, is she wearing anythign unsual, misinterpret what she is saying, tease, banter.

3. Kino - YOu can touch her but don;t be overtly sexual, especially not in the daytime. If she has nice nails you can compliment them as you touch them or shaking hands. Theres plenty of article on the web about kino.

4. Don't beat yourself up if you miss an opportunity. I have found in the past this woudl really stress me out and mess it up for the next approach. Let it go! Its ok, there are millions of women in the world and we live on a relatively small island compared to the rest of the world. In your own lifetime you would probably never get to meet all the women in the UK.

5. Try to go solo because although wings can be useful, feedback, praise, validation etc, they cannot be around all the time. Infact in many cases they can hinder your progress. You might for example open 20 hot women while out with your wing but on you're own your AA has come back so do try approaching on your own. Something one of my friends from London would do is eventually split up from his wing then meet up later. This would gradually help you in going solo.
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Default 17-10-2010, 11:20 PM

Nice post tony. It's kind of nice lookng back at the basics.

This also applies to night game. Good stuff
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Default 08-12-2010, 11:33 PM

Day game. I need this as I am only allowing myself to go out at night twice a week now, because I start drinking too much.
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Default 20-12-2010, 08:41 PM

Good post. I'm going to try some of these tips. I think speaking slowly is really important, and something I easily forget about when I get excited about something I'm saying. I keep a little piece of paper in my wallet telling me to speak slowly so that every time I look at it, it reminds me... helps a bit!
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Default Hey - 21-12-2010, 06:56 AM

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Good post. I'm going to try some of these tips. I think speaking slowly is really important, and something I easily forget about when I get excited about something I'm saying. I keep a little piece of paper in my wallet telling me to speak slowly so that every time I look at it, it reminds me... helps a bit!
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Thanks! You'd be surprised what talking slow and leaving some pauses can do. Also working on your non verbals as all this is where your value is coming from. This is where that Hot girl feels it because she cannot believe how some guy can be so calm talking to her! Usually guys get nervous and talk really fast.
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Default 21-12-2010, 10:56 AM

Couple of things here I disagree with:

Warm up approaches - Ridiculous notion in my opinion, basically you're approaching to fail or what not. Approach properly all the time and you'll realize how silly this is.

Approaching girls your not attracted to - Again why would you want to approach a girl your not attracted to, unless you're after making a new friend. I approach hot girls that I feel attracted to and my game is far better for it.

Kino - You can go sexual here, just make sure you start slowly and escalate. Always escalate, you don't want her as your new best buddy, you want her to be your girlfriend/sexual partner yes?

-Loke
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Default Yo - 21-12-2010, 01:59 PM

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Couple of things here I disagree with:

Warm up approaches - Ridiculous notion in my opinion, basically you're approaching to fail or what not. Approach properly all the time and you'll realize how silly this is.

Approaching girls your not attracted to - Again why would you want to approach a girl your not attracted to, unless you're after making a new friend. I approach hot girls that I feel attracted to and my game is far better for it.

Kino - You can go sexual here, just make sure you start slowly and escalate. Always escalate, you don't want her as your new best buddy, you want her to be your girlfriend/sexual partner yes?

-Loke

Dude we are all different and have varying levels of confidence. Some people can go into any social situation and be the life and soul od the party or atleast have some alcohol which may make them appear more confident.

If you can approach the first girl you see, hot or not and take her back to yoru place and fuck her senseless, great but some of us are not at that level! To be honest I am still working with a handicap and that is my confidence! SO in order for me to feel more at ease I will chat to lesser attractive women so I get in a talkative mood and take positive reference points. It might take 3/4 warm approaches for me to feel comfortable talking to really hot girls and if thats what it takes then so be it.

Its like Mr Miyago says "first learn balance, then fly, nature way Daniel san" lol

We will all need to warm up in some way and some people I suspect use alcohol in the belief it will 'take the edge off" But if you're in the local supermarket and you see some hot girl you're hardly going to take a few cans!
You cannot expect newbies to approach the hottest girls, just like building muscle they have to work up to it otherwise they will become disheartened.

If I start my daygaming after a long lull and I try to open the hottest girl I may either hesitate and not open or open and get nervous, thus in turn getting blown out really harshly which would totally kill my state. But if I have warmed up with basic stuff like asking for directions, approaching lesser attractive girls I can take positive reference from this and even if I get blown out it won't drain my state and I can keep going.

I have had 2 types of coaching and one did not work for me because my first coach was too tough on me. He would push me to open even though i was totally shitting myself and despite my state dropping, to me it didn;t seem like he cared and every time I made a mistake in my approaches he would get annoyyed. I guess because he had been in the position i was in but some people in my view arent' really cut out for teaching. Theres more to coaching than just being good at pick up, having a few lays under your belt and telling your unofficial students "theres a set over there, go approach it"

The other coach I had who i consider a friend was a hell of a lot better. He comes highly regarded by a lot of people and not just from my recommendation. His method of teaching is more tailored towards the needs of the individual so he woudl had me do some warm up sets then by the end of it I was approaching really hot girls and getting amazing reactions.


Warm up approaches are helpful because we are not always in state, we are not always in the mood to be social or meet people! We don't always feel talkative and through merely making small talk with anyone, not just women, we become more relaxed, we unblock whats already in our heads and our later interactions become more comfortable and fun. It is only people who don;t have a problem with being social, who are confident that have no need of warming up.

Many guys will feel nervous approaching women they are attracted to because many of them don't want to mess up! They become too outcome dependant and invariably end up doing or saying something to make the girl dissapear. By approaching women you're not attracted to you can say and do what you want without feeling nervous then approach the women you are attracted to. HOT or NOT even an ugly fat girl can blow you out, dont think for a second that they are all that easy or even that Hot women are that hard but some of us have to take baby steps

I often been out with guys saw beautiful women they wanted to approach and did nothing and when I pointed out lesser attractive women, they didn;t want to because they weren't attracted to them but then I would say "well in that case if you're not attracted to them you, can approach?" One wing i had who I used to sarge with, good looking guy, muscly but could never approach! there were enough attractive women but the age old excuse was that there weren;t any women attractive enough and he didn;t want to approach women he wasn't attracted to but, come on if you're not attracted to someone, approaching them should be easier right? well not if you're not used to approaching women!

Another of my wings', really cool guy once opened an old lady in a bar. Me and my other wing thought he was crazy and was laughing at him but you know what, she was later joined by her daughters who were very nice indeed.
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Default 21-12-2010, 02:41 PM

Again its down to beliefs. If you believe something will help you it will work far better then if you don't.

Some people can just go sod it lets give it ago, others perhaps like to chizzle away at the belief wall until it crumbles down.
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Default 22-12-2010, 11:31 AM

If you need warm up approaches to get in state, you need to work on being able to get into this state anytime. This is an inner game issue.

A small exercise I sometimes used was to think of a skill or place in my life that I'm utterly confident. Then take that feeling and make an association in my mind, ala Da Vinci memory method, then whenever I want state I'll think of the association and I feel that confidence.

Once you are confident in your situation, you don't need to warm up or the other non authentic bullshit.

You are basically treating the symptoms not the disease. Your symptom is lack of state/confidence/inner game, and you treat it by doing easy pick ups to build up your ego. Then use that to get confidence. What you should do is sort out the disease, which is a lack of self esteem, confidence etc. Watch the blueprint decoded or other material on inner game etc, become a confident, well adjusted individual and you wont have a need for bullshit.

-Loke

P.S. Taking yourself out of your comfort zone is the best way to learn, so you should approach the difficult ones

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Default Hey - 22-12-2010, 07:30 PM

Great reply! And I like the anchoring technique there. You know to be honest I am very stubborn and I was going to write a counter argument but in the long run that would not help me or others. We are not here to compete or outdo each other so I take onboard everything you are saying!

If i had a copy of the Blue print I would gladly look it at. Youtube had it on for a while but was taken down due to copyright. I know Tyler seems like a despised character due to his portrayal in The Game but he is actually a very intelligent guy!
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