routine -> natural - Pick-up Artist Forum

pyromaniak · **routine -> natural -** 10-08-2009, 04:23 PM

i was watching some natural tim stuff the other day and felt super inspired YouTube - RSD's Tim vs Jeffy (Woo vs Non-Woo)
earlier i was really into canned openers and routines
i always read about natural but i didnt really under stand untill saturday
it was best ever i had the best time i didnt even have to think i was completly consumed with having a good time

i found if you aprouch a group of girls with complete sincerity and directness with out giving a toss what any one thinks about you while project a super positive vib !
you dont need routine ! you can actual go out for the party and you pull dolls because you having such a good time which is a far better reason for getting hb10 s than having to try

im not saying narural is better than routines cuz if you use material from both you get potency !

a fighter is not complete if he can only punch

if any one has anything on bein a natural
shout!

peace piro

Shak · 10-08-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pyromaniak

if any one has anything on bein a natural
shout!

peace piro

The Best thing for bein a natural is goin out there and being spontanous!
theres not to much you can read about bein a natural you just develop it from being out in the field and not using canned routine material...

walk upto a girl and say hey, maybe comment on something shes wearing, but dont jus tell her you like something shes wearing also tell why you like it, this shows to her you've actually put some thought into it...

then basically take it from there see were the convosation ends up =]

kowalski · 10-08-2009, 06:26 PM

Or...

You could check out Wayne 'Juggler' Elise, RSD (particularly Flawless Natural and Blueprint De-Coded), Gunwitch, Carlos Xuma, Jonny Soporno, Swingcat. Or for the full cheesy natural try Zan Perrion.

Peace,

kowalski

Jaz · 10-08-2009, 11:04 PM

Warning:

Beware The Faux Natural

Ritz · 16-08-2009, 11:06 PM

Sorry to bring this up again BUT.... If your looking at other people's "natural" routines are you really bein natural?

Yeah I wont let it drop I know!

Ritz

Cube · 17-08-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ritz

If your looking at other people's "natural" routines are you really bein natural?

Depends really, when looking at what you may consider a "natural" you have to consider that they are a natural because they have done exactly what they are doing at that point at some point before, and it has worked for them. There are of course real naturals out there, and of course we all know someone who is one. But from watching what I consider a "natural" I can categorically tell you the material he has used (although it was his own) he has used on several people, all with various outcomes.

Bottom line, even naturals need routines.

Cube

kowalski · 17-08-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ritz

If your looking at other people's "natural" routines are you really bein natural?

Publications by naturals don't realy contain routines. They are more about inner-game (e.g. how you should think and feel). Where specific examples of things they have said / do say are given they are supposed to be taken as just that examples.

I don't acknowledge there is any distinction between a 'real' natural and any other kind of natural. You are either a ntural or you are not.

A natural is simply someone whose behaviour is unaffected. Meaning that they say and do whatever comes to mind, rather than employing specific tactics and engineering specific situations.

I wrote this on another thread in response to some questions Jynx had posted:

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Originally Posted by kowalski

You'll all be happy to know that anyone can be a natural. It does not matter how you were as a child, how you are now, how you learned to be good at game or any of that.

Being natural is about how you behave not how you learned.

What does natural mean?
There are various definitions of natural most of which boil down to one of the following:

1. Existing in or formed by nature (as opposed to artificial or synthetic)
2. Free from affectation or constraint: a natural manner

The first and most common definition really has no use. Humans are not separate from nature; we are part of nature so everything we do create or learn is as natural as an oak tree.

The second definition is useful and applies when we talk about naturals at game. All behaviours are learned. Whether a natural learned their behaviours through discovering the community or not makes no difference. And, everyone is capable of analysing what they do, even if they never have. When I was younger I had massive success and new nothing about the community, yet when my friend asked me how I did so well I was able to very easily break it all down for him (by the way it was mostly because I thought I was awesome and expected people to treat me like I was awesome).

Natural game means being genuine, moving with ease and without calculation, acting on your impulses, freely expressing yourself etc. A natural is someone who is being rather than doing.

Learning to be a natural means removing the affectation and constraints of ego and social conditioning. This is about removing filters and revealing your true self. Working out which beliefs serve you and which do not, then discarding the ones that do not. People who are good with women and don't know about the community still had to work out which beliefs serve them and which do not.

Do you consider natural the route to take?

Yes. Being able to pick up girls is OK, but will not make you happy. Learning routines and lines to pick up girls definitely works. However, it will inevitably make you unhappy. People want the other to like them for who they are, because they are worthy, not because they tricked the other into believing they were worthy with lines and routines. Using lines and routines you will one day be lying in bed with the most perfect girl you’ve ever seen breathless next to you after awesome sex and feel shitty and dissatisfied.

When we look for the community, or any form of self-improvement, this is because we have beliefs that prevent us from getting what we want. Learning lines and routines does little, if anything, to change these beliefs. You will still think you are not worthy, even if you are getting good results. It's like putting a band aid over a bullet wound (as the yanks say).

Look at naturals like Tim, Juggler, Jonny etc. they are cool, chilled, self-satisfied, happy guys, then compare them to Mystery who is prone to massive suicidal lows. Fuck, there's not much of a choice there. Despite preaching outcome independence, Mystery is a response junky. He is so used to controlling people's reactions to him that when he is not being externally validated he cannot stand it. At least that is who he was in Style's book, and his highs and lows make sense when you understand it in this way.

Focusing on improving yourself, on your own happiness, instead of on how to engineer reactions from others, is infinitely more satisfying.

Advantages and disadvantages?

I think the main advantage of going natural is that you will have increased self-esteem and the changes you undergo will have positive effects in all areas of your life. It is about you, your whole life, your happiness.

I think the only disadvantage is that, typically, it takes a bit longer and is a bit harder. You can read a few things and go out and start controlling reactions straight away and get positive results. Looking at yourself and discarding long held, but harmful, beliefs is a lot harder and involves accepting responsibility for your life.

What the stages of being a natural are?

Fuck knows, mate. Just for fun though…

Realise you are restricted.
Fight to discard these restrictions.
Be awesome.

I think another interesting question that Ritz posed in another thread is "If I repeat the method of victory when does it become an un-natural routine?" Again, my answer is that it becomes un-natural when you are consciously employing it as a way of engineering certain responses. As long as you are in the moment and simply allowing conversation to flow even repetition is natural.

I say 'Hi' to people over and over again friends, at work, on the phone, in shops etc. No-one is going to say that my repeated use of 'Hi' is un-natural. Repetition is not a limiting characteristic for a natural, nor is the method they learned to be good. A limiting characteristic is how constrained or affected their behaviour is.

Peace,

kowalski

Tom · 17-08-2009, 12:47 PM

^ what he said

Cube · 17-08-2009, 01:25 PM

Touché Young Jedi

S.B.D · 17-08-2009, 06:01 PM

A good thing you can maybe do mate if you want to be a natural is.....Instead of studying routines and memorising them.....look at them and ask.... why do they works, what is it about it that makes it effective. If you know why something works, then you can make your own system

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Above anyone out there in the world i would recommend Mehow for this.

Peace.